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manowar
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Harry,
best luck to you. I had a situation similar to yours ( it was a p4p girl but not in LOS ) quite some time ago. It did not work out and it was the worst feeling I felt in a long time. But looking back, while the bad was worst, the good was the best. I will always remember that " affair " for which I am thankful to have the opportunity to experience it. I now subscribe to the teaching/philosophy of " compassionate detachment ". If you know and believe in this, you will be able to resolve within yourself the pain that it causes if it does not work out for you. PM me if you want to know more.
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Posted on: 11:26 am on July 11, 2004
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cyborg
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Manowar, Why not share more with all of us about"Compassionate Detachment' I like the sound of that.
What exactly is it? How do you psychologically achieve it?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Cyborg
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Posted on: 12:15 pm on July 11, 2004
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Ronnie Raygun
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Quote: from HarryParatestes on 8:37 pm on July 10, 2004
I have no illusions that she won't be f_cking him now and again for the next month...but then again she knows I have a caucasian girlfriend who lives with me in the States, and a filipina girlfriend just as young and pretty as she is in the Philippines. At this point we are looking into the near future, when all our other commitments and entanglements are disposed of, and we are both free to be together exclusively. Right now we are prepared to deal with the fact that we may both be sleeping with other people even though it is each other that we truly love. In my humble opinion, this honesty is part of what makes our relationship stronger, and in the long run more viable...At some point, there has to be trust in a relationship. There is always a richer, more handsome man and a younger, more beautiful woman out there to be had, but that won't stop me from giving it a go with my little Thai princess.
That's great that you're both honest with each other--imo that's the key issue of contention here on this thread. But how honest and trustworthy are you being with your two girlfriends, or she with the Welshman? Is that what you mean by the last sentence quoted above--you'll both be honest and trustworthy with each other until a better opportunity for either of you comes along?
Nonetheless, as a romantic myself, I hope this works out for the two of you.
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Posted on: 4:43 pm on July 11, 2004
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HarryParatestes
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Quote: from Ronnie Raygun on 4:43 am on July 12, 2004
That's great that you're both honest with each other--imo that's the key issue of contention here on this thread. But how honest and trustworthy are you being with your two girlfriends, or she with the Welshman? Is that what you mean by the last sentence quoted above--you'll both be honest and trustworthy with each other until a better opportunity for either of you comes along?
Nonetheless, as a romantic myself, I hope this works out for the two of you.
Ahh, therein lies the rub... she cannot be honest with the Welshman because she knows he can't handle the truth (she tells him she now has an office job and isn't turning tricks anymore). She speaks with him on the phone in my presence and lets me read his emails. There is another man in her life whom she has told me about as well - an American doctor living in Vietnam - whose phone calls I have also listened to and emails I have read. She has told me the details about them both (more than I wanted to know, frankly) because she says she wants to be honest with me... she wants me to know about her life, to understand her, and to accept her as she is.
I have told my Stateside girlfriend half the story about why I am spending two weeks every other month in SEA... she knows I'm interested in Asian women of childbearing age (she is older than I, in her mid-forties) but she doesn't know there is someone in particular I've been visiting. To tell the truth, my live-in girlfriend is one of the coolest ladies in the world, but because of our age difference and the childbearing issue we know that our relationship may end up platonic rather than romantic. The Filipina girl would, of course, go totally berserk if she knew about any other woman I was seeing, so that is not a piece of information I choose to share with her.
At the very core of the issue of honesty is the fact that my Thai sweetheart was/is a prostitute whose basic goal is to sell herself to the highest bidder. (When you really think about it, this is the same goal most attractive Western women have, so although they are not technically prostitutes it's not such a different concept after all.)
I believe that even for a prostitute who sells her body to men she is not attracted to, there is a basic desire to be loved, respected, and understood by a man to whom she IS attracted -- PROVIDED HE WILL TAKE CARE OF HER AS WELL.
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Posted on: 8:45 pm on July 11, 2004
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HarryParatestes
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Quote: from ColoradoGuy on 9:10 pm on July 11, 2004
Quote: from HarryParatestes on 10:10 pm on June 27, 2004
I'd rather show her what she might have if she plays her cards right than shell out stoopid money to "sponsor" her as she continues to bang every Tom Dick and Harry that dangle a thousand baht note in front of her.
Quote: from HarryParatestes on 10:02 pm on June 29, 2004
DG, I don't think throwing money at her is the solution.
Quote: from HarryParatestes on 7:19 pm on July 10, 2004
You will send her money.
Not exactly - I gave it to her in person. Actually, we opened a joint bank account...
Quote: from HarryParatestes on 11:37 pm on July 10, 2004
By the way, she didn't ask me for any money -- I offered it.
Any chance of you telling us what changed your mind?
Sure, no problem.
After having read many, many threads on this forum about sponsorship of girls and related topics, and having considered the reality of the situation from my GF's point of view, I decided that some token gesture to demonstrate my serious intentions was in order.
Up to this point I had not bought her any expensive gifts, sent her any money, nor even paid her any more than 1K baht per night for her time. However, now I was discussing with her the prospect of coming to LOS and living with her at some point in the near future.
What I did was to open a joint bank account in both our names, with internet access so I can see any activity. My gf has said she will ask me before tapping into the funds, and I said "up to you, honey." This will be a test of sorts to see how she deals with the money.
In case you're wondering, I put in 40K THB, or 1K USD.
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Posted on: 11:29 pm on July 11, 2004
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jack attack
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Harry,
I don't mean to be judgemental BUT...
a) you have a older squeeze at home
b) you have a younger squeeze in PI
c) you were totally committed to Thai lady 'except for a quick run to Eden'
IMO, you aren't in love, you are in lust. And the challenge of chasing and conquering this girl is your motivation. She has the Welchman and now a Dr. in Vietnam. It seems she is playing the same game as you.
All of this is fine, but IMO, recognize that you are both enjoying the chase and hot sex.
If she really wants you, she will dump the others and go back to a day job. If you really want her, you may do the same. That is contingent on both of you believing monogamy is best for you. You may not and her the same.
Now money has entered the game. IMO, you give it to her openly thinking this will show you are willing to provide. But ultimately it is one method of control and conquest. She accepts it as she most likely is from other men and that means she is no hurry to 'decide'.
All of this is fine but IMO you are still looking at a lot problems. I would suggest not think long term with this and only enjoy NOW.
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Posted on: 11:34 pm on July 11, 2004
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Ronnie Raygun
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Quote: from HarryParatestes on 5:45 pm on July 11, 2004
At the very core of the issue of honesty is the fact that my Thai sweetheart was/is a prostitute whose basic goal is to sell herself to the highest bidder.
OK, that's her excuse. What's yours vis-a-vis Filipina & Stateside girlfriends?
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Posted on: 12:15 am on July 12, 2004
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HarryParatestes
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Quote: from Ronnie Raygun on 12:15 pm on July 12, 2004
OK, that's her excuse. What's yours vis-a-vis Filipina & Stateside girlfriends?
Just hedging my bets, brother...
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Posted on: 12:27 am on July 12, 2004
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Hermanolobo
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Quote: from HarryParatestes on 8:45 am on July 12, 2004
Ahh, therein lies the rub... she cannot be honest with the Welshman because she knows he can't handle the truth (she tells him she now has an office job and isn't turning tricks anymore). She speaks with him on the phone in my presence and lets me read his emails. There is another man in her life whom she has told me about as well - an American doctor living in Vietnam - whose phone calls I have also listened to and emails I have read. She has told me the details about them both (more than I wanted to know, frankly) because she says she wants to be honest with me... she wants me to know about her life, to understand her, and to accept her as she is.
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Harry,
It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it?
Well you say your girl is a prostitute but the concept in Asia is not quite the same as the West but the emotional scars will be there just the same. Nature designed the human being for 'bonding' certainly for a period of time. Some say "once a prostitute....." i.e. you will never change her. A lost and hopeless cause. I get the impression you are looking for something you cannot find?
You said: "At the very core of the issue of honesty is the fact that my Thai sweetheart was/is a prostitute whose basic goal is to sell herself to the highest bidder. (When you really think about it, this is the same goal most attractive Western women have, so although they are not technically prostitutes it's not such a different concept after all.) "
= True but is it not also simplistic ?
The issue is probably yourself and not the girls.
You also said:"she cannot be honest with the Welshman"
Don't forget that:- "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief.
Taffy came to our house and stole a leg of beef!"
Brother Wolf
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Posted on: 2:58 am on July 12, 2004
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LocalYokul
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man that Ron Ray is a real bite in the ass for having been a member for only 6 months...
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Posted on: 5:59 am on July 12, 2004
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