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Blattsucker
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I'm sorry Autosweep, from your other posts elswhere I got the impression you had some experience in thailand. It seems I made a mistake. You are a newbie. And I would not be harsh on a newbie. I appoligize for that, but... you are still wrong.
Your clarifying post said the same thing as the first, namely : "You feel you should pay the girl because she spends her time with you while she could have had a paying customer during your time together."
Now it could be you have difficulty expressing your meaning into words that reflect that meaning. But I doubt that.
I think you don't have a clue what you are doing there.
I think you come from the western world with western thinking and you think that the girls also think like you.
Let me enlighten you.
You barfine a girl. At that moment you have entered a contract. That means you owe 2 people money. The bar you pay a small amount of money (300 - 600B). And the girl you ALSO have to pay. For an LT 1000 - 2000B.
This is not charity or something this is an unwritten law.
Same as the car rental I mentioned. There is only one difference the contract is verbal, not on paper.
Also you think that thai-english is the same as your english. WRONG!
You hear : "Up to you!" and think that means : "I will go with you what ever you pay. If you give me no money at all then I'm just as happy, because you look like Brad Pitt."
If a bargirl says : "Up to you!" She means : "Pay me the standard amount of money, if you give more that is OK too."
Why does she say that stupid line, when she means something else?? Well all girls think you know the rules. Some girls don't want to be labeled as hookers. So no talk about money means you are no hooker (??). Other girls think like used cars salesmen. They think your first bid will be higher then her highest bid.
And there are also girls that think they will lose face if they name an amount. Is she worth the asked sum? Will you get the same amount of pleasure from her? Many girls have a low selfesteem. Say to the most beautiful girl that she is beautiful and her answer will be she thinks she is ugly.
So if a bargirl says it is free, then she means it will be free if you give "something". (Something like the standard rate  It could be realy free with the money you spend on a girl, so maybe she thinks she owes you one. But I think that is not very likely, so to be sure ask her ten times if it is realy free.
Now if you pick up a girl outside of the barscene then "free" is far more likely to mean "free". (See other posts here.)
Oh, and just like Jacob you have your heart in the right place, now if only your brains could be in the right place, then all thing would be allright. So when I say you are a crook, that means you are a crook in the moral sence, as you are not honoring the contract with the girl. But technicaly you compensate that by overpaying the girls, so there is no harm done (to the girl). You never stated you did not give money and I believe that.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:33 pm on Jan. 24, 2005
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Autosweep
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Blatt,
I am trying to make peace on this forum so bear with me but my patience is running thin. If you did read my other posts you will see that I am an overpayer. I pay 4-5000 a night to a girl LT. I do not want to beat this topic to death. Others who read my posts hopefully will understand what I am trying to say. I have been accused and insulted about my willingness to pay too much for ladies. I appreciate your efforts at an apology but you made up at the end of the post. I have already offered a free tab to members at CM2 when I arrive on Jan31. So I don't feel that crook is noun or adjective that fits.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:45 am on Jan. 25, 2005
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jacob
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Oh, and just like Jacob you have your heart in the right place, now if only your brains could be in the right place, then all thing would be allright. So when I say you are a crook, that means you are a crook in the moral sence, as you are not honoring the contract with the girl. But technicaly you compensate that by overpaying the girls, so there is no harm done (to the girl). You never stated you did not give money and I believe that.
I like your style of writing as it amuses me and makes me laugh a little. You also seem to have a generally good idea of what your on about however I dont understand exactly what you are trying to say regards me being a crook or such like in the SENSE of paying or not girls.
Just so you understand me correctly in case I had not made it clear.
I always pay girls around 2-3000 baht but with this one girl I paid her 2000 per day based on a long stay over mnay days.
I gave her this at end of trip but on another trip I gave it at the start and then when I returned to farangland sent more in the course of several months I sent 10 and 20 thousand baht. Not a huge amount by any means but good for her I would have thought?
I am considering sending 10k sometime this week. But had been wondering if it was a good or bad idea to give her say 10 k at the start of my next trip and go along on the basis that if I am suppposed to be some kind of BF then I should not pay willy nilly for the this next trip per se as surely the previous 30k or 40 [if I send money this week] has to count for something?
Thanks for all the feedback again. Good to see the differing views and perspectives.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:21 am on Jan. 25, 2005
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erik
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Dear Jacob,
I live here and got a wise lesson from an older Thai man. I told him I NEVER give any money to these street children because it is exploitation etc... He told me they still have to live and if it makes me feel better to give I should give.
The same goes for a bargirl. Although I find it very rough and uncivilised not to pay at all, if you want to give more give as your heart feels. Keep it reasonable - don't get exploited- but you will have a satisfied feeling by giving as you wish.
And although there are many backgrounds to the Why to be a bargirl, the most obvious is a need of money. And in general the girls are nice personalities, nice people to know, especially when they are out of their bar environment. And polite too... I remember the times that a european hooker back home told me roughly after 10 minutes to hurry up...
I love Thailand, not only for it's lovely girls, but for the polite and soft charachter of most of it's people.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 10:53 am on Jan. 25, 2005
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Minder
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ColoradoGuy Posted on 11:45 pm on Jan. 23, 2005
My beautiful, university-educated secretary is 26yo, works 50 hours a week and makes just over 10,000 baht per month. This is her choice, she did not take the easy way out, she makes 1/4 of what your girl makes in a month and she does not consider her life is "bleak". Remember that when feeling financially sorry for a girl who sleeps all day, drinks all night and is in the top percentage of wage-earners.
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Well said CG. Especially about how she does not consider her life bleak. Most of the office girls I know are on similar money, around 12k a month and still manage to give money to the family, have savings and party with friends a couple of times a week.
The one thing that ALL these girls have in common is that they are more comfortable with a minimal existence because that is what they are used to. If I gave 10,000 baht to one of the office girls or to one of the bar girls BOTH would have nothing left in no time flat.
In both cases it would go immediately to pay a debt, help a friend or assist the family until nothing was left and nothing in her life would change. It is like pouring water into the ocean - pour as much as you like, it will never make any visible difference. Enjoy.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:17 am on Jan. 25, 2005
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Blattsucker
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No, Autosweep, now it was me that did not make myself absolutly clear.
I said your heart is in the right place. That should be your highlight/focus in my post. From there I go a bit deeper into the "issue/problem".
What I meant to say was : You enter a contract with a bargirl. Out of ignorence you break the contract. (That is the crook part.) You then come up with a silly reason the end the affair with a large (too large in my opinion) sum of money. Result is : No damage done. Only overpaying, which the girl (your partner in the contract) would not complain about. Everybody is happy.
The point about the "crook" you should read as : When I think of murdering somebody, but I never do. Does that make me a murderer? I think from a moral point of view I am. Techinicaly I'm as inocent as a new born baby.
Same goes for you. You think that "Up to you" means 0 - 5000 Baht. And 0 Baht means for the girl that you break the contract. That makes you from a moral p.o.v. a crook. Only the girl will never know, because you pay her well for some other reason that you made up.
So ignorence makes you a crook, but your good heart makes that you technicaly never become a crook. And I said I believe you will never let a girl go without compensation. But your thoughtprocess would make it possible you might become one. And if not you, then somebody else, without your deep pockets.
I myself made the same sort of mistake also years ago. It never even occurred to me that the happy finish after the massage qualified for a tip, as the girl never even mentioned money. I thought it was all inclusive.
I don't want you (or anybody else) to make the same mistake. That is what this forum is for. The "new" guys learning from the "old" guys.
We both come from a culture where what you say is more important then what you don't say. In thailand it is often more important what you DON't say.
That was my meaning of my post. The word crook was just a way to explaine that. As I tried to say, I never believed you actualy were one.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:55 am on Jan. 26, 2005
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Autosweep
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Blatt,
Thanks for taking the time to try and clarify your post. I appreciate your efforts instead of blasting me in a shit post. Honestly, I still don't see what I do as wrong, morally or through ignorance. Perhaps we have different views and maybe due to your experience you are right and I have things to learn. Nice to hear from you.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:36 am on Jan. 26, 2005
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ColoradoGuy
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Quote: from Minder on 10:11 am on Jan. 25, 2005
If I gave 10,000 baht to one of the office girls or to one of the bar girls BOTH would have nothing left in no time flat.
I am good friends with a girl who works at a Bangkok hotel. She makes about 14K/month, from Isaan, university educated, very beautiful. She said that the girl in the next room from her "work bar 2 years, have sex with many men, she make about 50K baht/month, 2 years, more than 1 million baht, but now she have no money, everyone take from her and she give away to everyone". HotelGirl said that she tries to save about 2000-3000 baht per month.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:18 am on Jan. 27, 2005
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oldarmy
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Jacob, here is my view of your situation. It is your money and you can always do what you please. However, if I were in your shoes, I would not hang out with this girl. I think you should spend more time reading this forum and you will see that she is taking advantage of you without the proper recompense that you deserve. Read, read and then read some more. In my mind, there are two scenarios:
One, you want the GFE and you hope to develop a little more than a straight customer/hooker relationship. In that case, you could accept the inadequacies in the bedroom. What you wouldn't accept though is the lying about the phone and passport and who knows what else. You can find a better GFE if you are simply looking for a sweet girl with poor bed qualities.
Two, you look for someone who you know views you only as a client and does what she feels she has to to make her bucks. This is what you have now; however, she is in control and knows she can manipulate you to buy her things through lying and taking advantage. Because you have low demands for her, she is giving you poor service. Does she like you? I don't know. For the same money on a long term basis, you can definitely do better.
As for the contract portion, the only contract you have is what you two agree upon. I would not pay for an extended stay at 2K per day. Even if the lady continually gets 2K a day, that requires her to get ready, strut her stuff, be nice to multiple idiots and assume the risk that she will do all of this and get paid. No guarantee for her. With an extended stay, I take it you are feeding her, taking her out for drinks, sightseeing and doing generally fun things. She also assumes no risk if you have an agreement ahead of time. I think that is worth some money and she should be willing to bargain if she has a good time with you.
By the way, as for her LB status, the post op LBs cannot generate their own lubrication and have to lube up to bang you. Don't know if this is the same as your water comments and if you are fine with this it does not matter.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:12 am on Jan. 27, 2005
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