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no - just cupcakes & muffins too! Are there any cherries in LOS?
Cheers,
Liam
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:56 pm on April 7, 2005
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sirtitus
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Quote: from Broken Leg on 11:51 pm on April 7, 2005
I think feelings of guilt in the west come from our judeo - christian background which affects our culture significantly even if we have no religious beliefs. Many asians for example regardless of religion have no guilt.
Defintely we live in a culture of guilt. Strange how such deep-rooted feelings disappear so easily when we live in a different country with different values.
I'm a firm believer in the old adage "When in Rome, do are the Romans do". Living in Asia now for over 2 years has changed a lot in me. We do things here we simply wouldn't do home.
SirTitus
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:09 pm on April 7, 2005
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cyborg
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Though I cannot quote leading scientists I have a definite opinion on this subject.
I do believe that there is a substantial genetic/hormonal/gender bias to this subject.
I know many will beat me up for this but let me put it very simply...
Guys want sex and they want it from as many women as possible..yes we tend to fall in love (especially me) but this is no antidote for our hardwired predisposition to spread our seed.
Ladies want it mainly from one man but they have a genetic predisposition to seek the best provider male. (AKA one that will stay with her and has the means...financial in these times...to care for her and baby) Women will stray if it is with someone of what they consider better physical stock to thus create a superior specimen of a child. This is of course within the context of having already secured the "provider."
Ok, so like I said I will get beat up for these simplifications but I truly believe they ring true. They are true at a deep down core level.
Women marry rich guys with kind hearts and bang sexy buff studs on the side...has anyone ever seen a woman marry a buff stud and bang less attractive rich guy just for the superficial sexual fun?
Now people will ask..hey what about that lady I know that is super horney and wants to f*** as many guys as she can?? Yes we all know one like that but I think in general these ladies are not the norm and have hormonal or mental differences that drive them to a more masculine behavior.
OK...that said, why do we bang so many chicks in LOS?? We do it because they are available.The reason many of us dont here in Falangland is because we dont have as much opportunity.The number one predictor of male infidelity is...opportunity.
Should we feel guilty about bangin other chicks? f*** NO!!
I feel very strongly about this. When you marry a woman and take care of her she is getting supposedly...everything she wants. We men must supposedly...turn our backs on our innate natural desires and dedicate ourselves to one woman for our sexual needs in the future. Why should women get all of their needs taken care of but we must live half of a satisfying life?? Why must we suffer?? We are taking care of her and possibly a child as well....if we are in all other ways stand up good loving hubbies why should we do without our version of happiness?
Social programming designed to protect the woman and the child and thus the species, is cramping our style big time!!
What to do??
Many men choose to be single....that takes care of the NOT cheating thing but what if you want to have a family or at least a wife? Must you forego happiness to have a life with a woman? Many guys choose to do exactly that...live a life that is one sided in favor of the wife. I think that makes for a miserable existence for the man.
A man may choose to sneak off to get his extra lubbin...this is the choice than many here make. Hard to get away with in Falangland if you have an attractive lady with options....she can dump you and easily replace you. Then of course there are those of you livin an LOS life. You are in charge...you have the options the ladies do not. Even if she catchs you bangin another woman what is she to do?? Kick you out of her life?? She needs the support....she may simply grin and bare it.
There is another option that is rarely discussed...this is the option I have taken in my life.I have a fiance in Falangland...she knows I go to LOS at least once a year and is OK with it...I take her sometimes with me.
When I first hooked up with her it was romantic and intense but I was determined to not get myself in a shitty situation such as I had in a previous marriage. I wanted to be sexually happy.
I took advantage of what I refer to as the "Power Window" this is that often times far too short of a period of time that dwells between when a woman falls madly in love with you and when you commit to her.
Guys, during this window you have more power in your relationship than you will ever have again. I told her that I love her and think we are sooooo compatible that I am thinking we should make "us" a committed thing...except for that one problem that I think may be insurmountable. We may be better off ending it now because of this.... I tell her I want us to do swinging. (I know she would never do that) I tell her that is such a fundamental problem with us that maybe it is best for us to go our own ways. I would never ask her to swing but should she ask me not to??
She sees the finish line....the prize of love and security that she hasalways sought is within her grasp...all she needs to do is find some way to accept this idea that I would play sexually a bit and we could be happy together.
Toss into this some additional conditioning such as...why is it a problem for a man to bang another lady if it is just sex? They inevitably say it is cuz they might leave her for other woman...in other words cuz sex leads to connection which leads to leaving wife. I point out the absurdity of a woman dumping her man who bangs another woman....she is mad cuz this may lead to him leaving but she makes it happen by booting him...Dumb.... like security suicide!!
Discovery channel documentaries are also good when you have scientists stating that men have the bio-need to bang other chicks.
Do what I did and have a compromise...I will only (supposedly) bang other chicks when I am halfway around the world...and only
hookers so there will not be a connection.It will only be purging them wild natural urges so I wont do it at home.
The key here to have what I have is to create this environment within the "Power Window" and you need to be able to make a woman fall deeply in love with you. She needs to view this as a minor compromise to get everything she wants.
Cyborg
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:54 am on April 8, 2005
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Kaymanx
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Cyborg:
"We men must supposedly...turn our backs on our innate natural desires and dedicate ourselves to one woman for our sexual needs in the future. Why should women get all of their needs taken care of but we must live half of a satisfying life?? Why must we suffer?? We are taking care of her and possibly a child as well....if we are in all other ways stand up good loving hubbies why should we do without our version of happiness?"
This, to my mind, is the essence of this thread. I do agree with Broken Leg that to try and relate our feelings of guilt to biological matters is flawed. Nor is it too relevant to quote practices among African tribes which would only take us into controversial areas of gender discrimination. None of this is relevant. I do not agree that women are biologically not promiscuous. By conditioning yes, but not thro any dictate of nature. Theoretically, IMHO, if you bring up a girl and a boy with precisely the same freedoms -- both mental and behavioural -- they could be equally free in their approach, although physical differences might influence their actual behaviour.
In practice men are sexually more adventurous simply because they have far greater opportunities and far greater financial and mental freedoms. Besides they are saddled with far less family responsibilities than women. Like it or not, it is an unequal world. If we are exercised about this, and still want our sexual freedoms, we have to evolve our own individual balancing mechanisms. And we need to remember there's a difference between mere butterflying and having full-blown affairs. Good one there, Cyborg!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 1:24 am on April 8, 2005
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ABC
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No preaching, or finger pointing at anyone. I'm sure this is gonna rub some the wrong way, but that's not my intention. I'm just answering the question as per my OPINIONS!!
So, why do we do it? Better question: Why do we do it so easily and guilt-free?
IMO: I think it probably has to do with the distance with the notion of "out of sight out of mind". ALso, it is easy because of the price. Because it's cheap it's made very acccessible. And I'm not sure it's guilt free, but more along the lines of "I'll just deal with those feelings at a later time".
let's define "cheating" as "f***ing women other than your wife or girlfriend".
I think that's a good definition. IMO: Whether you can not tell your wife or partner that you are sleeping around with another person, or not, it's still cheating. Only if your wife/partner is okay with it does it then move to the "swinger" or "open" type relationship, which I guess makes it fine in that relationship.
The Websters dictionary refers to cheating as:
Main Entry: cheat
transitive senses
1 : to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2 : to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3 : to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting <cheat death>
intransitive senses
1 a : to practice fraud or trickery b : to violate rules dishonestly (as at cards or on an examination)
2 : to be sexually unfaithful -- usually used with on
As per the comments about why people cheat.
IMO: I think that it's pretty lame to blame the other person for the reasons why one would cheat. And, it does not matter if they cheated on you, it still does not make it right.
Ex: Oh, my wife does not give it to me, so I'm entitled to satisfy my needs elese where.
You're married and if things are not working out then either discuss your feelings with your spouse, go see a marriage councelor or if nothing can be resolved, then get a divorce.
And, I've never heard vows include the words sex or anything to do with sex or the amount of sex in ones marriage.
How would you feel if you wife decided to run up the credit card bills by saying my husband does not give me the emotional support I need so I'm entitled to buy whatever I want?
Sure, there are legit reasons why someone cheated, but IMO: it still does not make it right.
Ex: I got drunk, the female was all over me, and things happened. That's a legit reason, but it does not detract for the fact that it's still cheating.
And I'm not saying that people that cheat are bad people either. S#$t happens. I view it more as a morality question then a quesation of one's character.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 11:08 am on April 8, 2005
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manowar
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Quote: from Kaymanx on 9:18 pm on April 7, 2005
Cyborg:
"We men must supposedly...turn our backs on our innate natural desires and dedicate ourselves to one woman for our sexual needs in the future. Why should women get all of their needs taken care of but we must live half of a satisfying life?? Why must we suffer?? We are taking care of her and possibly a child as well....if we are in all other ways stand up good loving hubbies why should we do without our version of happiness?"
This, to my mind, is the essence of this thread. I do agree with Broken Leg that to try and relate our feelings of guilt to biological matters is flawed. Nor is it too relevant to quote practices among African tribes which would only take us into controversial areas of gender discrimination. None of this is relevant. I do not agree that women are biologically not promiscuous. By conditioning yes, but not thro any dictate of nature. Theoretically, IMHO, if you bring up a girl and a boy with precisely the same freedoms -- both mental and behavioural -- they could be equally free in their approach, although physical differences might influence their actual behaviour.
In practice men are sexually more adventurous simply because they have far greater opportunities and far greater financial and mental freedoms. Besides they are saddled with far less family responsibilities than women. Like it or not, it is an unequal world. If we are exercised about this, and still want our sexual freedoms, we have to evolve our own individual balancing mechanisms. And we need to remember there's a difference between mere butterflying and having full-blown affairs. Good one there, Cyborg!
Most female animals are only "in heat" and willing to copulate with their male counterparts during certain cycles. Female human are "copulatable" at all time. ( especially the gogo's and the FL's, it's 24/7 for them.........555555555) Therefore, one can conclude that human beings are the "horniest" creatures on earth, male or female, especially when $$ are involved !! I don't believe that a male tiger can entice a female tiger to give him a BJ just because the male tiger brings her a little steak for dinner.......
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:41 am on April 8, 2005
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StrayGypsy
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Screw guilt !!... thank god for the Asian ways.... Western thoughts are based on other bitchy ugly dog assed women that couldnt get laid in a bar at 2AM that created the blue laws preventing other good looking women to get some sex/baht at the same time.
Screw the laws in western world about prostitution of legal age ladies.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:07 pm on April 8, 2005
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ukguy84
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To the amusement of some members here, I have posted my story of getting caught in LOS with my trousers down.
Thankfully she only found out about one of my indiscretions, however it still cost me my marriage and a lot of money, inc having to sell my house and one of my businesses, both of which she was an equal partner in.
Before you think this is a hard luck story, let me tell you that it is not all doom and gloom.
In fact I have found it to be quite the opposite.
I have been mongering in the UK, Europe and a little in the US for the last 25 years, that's about 1 year before I met my now ex wife.
So I was damn lucky to have gone so long without getting caught.
I have found my break up liberating, I am living on my own for the first time in my life, I can go out anywhere and at anytime without having to think of anyone else's feelings.
On my first trip to LOS after every encounter I was hit by a guilt trip, that's all gone now, and that feels good.
The one thing that visiting Thailand has brought home to me is that life is for living, so live it and enjoy it.
I know this will be hard for some of you to believe, but the other affect LOS has had on me is that I am now a much calmer person, if something goes wrong, so what, It can be sorted.
My advice, for what its worth, is to forget feeling guilty about playing around behind your partners back, however if you get caught, just accept it and move on, I for one know there is life after getting caught.
OK, that's enough bullets for my fellow thread furkers, over to you, do your worst!
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:55 pm on April 8, 2005
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Hugh Jardon
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Manowar said
Therefore, one can conclude that human beings are the "horniest" creatures on earth, male or female, especially when $$ are involved !! I don't believe that a male tiger can entice a female tiger to give him a BJ just because the male tiger brings her a little steak for dinner.......
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You're nearly right. The horniest creatures on earth by using the definition of mammals having sex purely for recreational rather than procreational purposes, is the Bonobo monkey, which is a close relative of ours.
http://www.geocities.com/willc7/bonobos.html
This is a particularly interesting article. Read the section "Love not War"
These apes indulge in incest, homosexual and lesbian sex, oral, mutual masturbation, everything! It's a sort of Eden Club in the jungle.  This lot are at it several times a day. Reminds me of some members of the forum! 
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:08 am on April 9, 2005
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