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Sugar Me
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"Sadly, I think you are right. However, these "ladies" were different. They spoke fluent English, dressed in designer bags, and were very familiar with "Western culture". They were not "Patpong or Nana" girls. Perhaps, that is why I THOUGHT that they were different."
But they worked in a club and you had to barfine them. Therefore it is the same. Actually no, its even more likely to result in demands for cash because these types are more leech-like than nana girls. Thats how they can afford the handbags. When you took them to dinner either a) they believed that they should have been on the clock or b) they were pushing the limits of your wallet (leeching).
In addition I find it hard to believe that they were speaking fluent English. Perhaps they've picked up some colloquialisms from their bf or barfines. Sorry, I don't mean to judge but in my experience the Thais fluent in English are ones who have studied at high school (or private schools) or done Undergraduate degrees in English speaking countries (with some exceptions of course).
Pegasus1, if you are using the excuse of using a western mindset and projecting it onto Thai women, then how would you have expected a western hooker to have behaved?
If you find a Thai girl that is not interested in your money and is not a spoiled child, then it's you who has struck gold.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:17 pm on Nov. 20, 2008
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thailife
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the only thing I can say is "I am confused about the complexity of her simplicity"
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:26 pm on Nov. 20, 2008
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bluber
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"But they worked in a club and you had to barfine them. Therefore it is the same."
Yes, they attended the dinner in their professional, not in their private role and thus expected cash. Like any "working girl" a thai bar girl draws a very clear line between those roles and they detest any blurring of it.
But there is another, more human dimension to this "beautiful dinner" thing, namely the implicit patronizing or condescending element in so many of those well-meaning farangs' attitude towards "these kinds of ladies". Indeed, the very assurance that "I treat her with kindness and respect" is a sure marker of a patronizing attitude and actual DISrespect. This is the way you talk about somebody you look down upon. And be sure that any Thai woman, with her high inherent self respect and sense of individual dignity and integrity will be aware of this kind of patronizing.
Another thing again is that "beautiful dinners" are the things to avoid. At least I do as much as I can and I am a Westerner so it's not only a cultural thing. Boring like hell.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:04 pm on Nov. 20, 2008
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MickTheKick
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Quote: from Pegasus1 on 10:38 am on Nov. 21, 2008
Is it worth our sanity to have some of these "psycho bitches" run our lives? Is a good lay really worth it?
Peggy, my man, why beeing so definite???
There is a wide range of options between the one-time-only-policy and letting a bitch run (is that ruin?) your life.
You just have to improve your bitch-radar... And the once-in-a-while bitch in disguise? Nahhh, so what, shit happens... Who's Next!
One-time-only... Such a chicken thing...
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 12:58 am on Nov. 21, 2008
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Pegasus1
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Quote: from MickTheKick on 4:48 pm on Nov. 21, 2008
"You just have to improve your bitch-radar... "
I like the phrase you have coined. You are probably right. Perhaps the big problem here, is that I take these girls to serious. On the other hand, having 'psycho bitch' call my cell over 100 times in one hour is not something to sneeze at.
By the way, I did not shut off my phone, or change my number.She has not called in about a week. Looks like she got tired of her game; and probably found another sucker by now...
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 4:11 am on Nov. 21, 2008
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Oldtimer
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Oldtimer actually enjoys taking pretty bar girls out to dinner or club, but even though given my advanced years I may not take them home at the end of the evening, I always slip them the standard ST fee.
The trouble is a couple of RB One lassies I have known for at least four or five years won't let me get out of there now without an invitation to dinner where they also try to sell me on LT.
Fortunately Oldtimer not so well known upstairs at RB 4 so that's where I can pull a new sleeping partner.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:34 am on Nov. 21, 2008
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Joe Wood
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Good point made about how you would expect a Western Hooker to view the time spent with you as on, or off the clock.
I haven't known many Western hookers but I would strongly assume that any time spent with you would be clocked and charged.
Thai girls from 'good', so-called high class clubs are used to the crap of dining out with a farang and merely see their time being used and the farang throwing good money away and not on them, since they'd be quite content with some good, cheap Thai food from a stall or small road-side restaurant in comparison and that sitting in a fine place is just boring to them.
They are working, making themselves available to earn money. They have their own entertainment and ideas about what a good time is.
But good. It was a wake-up call. Being expected to tip for a 'good' time out underlines the fact that all they see you as, is a customer, nothing more, but someone who should pay for it and the whole way, whatever it is, or isn't.
You can't assume for one moment that they like being in your company........................unless you know them very well and for a long period of time, and even then, you could still be wrong.
It just reminds you of the mercenary nature of the relationship and that going out with you even just to shop is a transaction and not a get-together or a friendly meeting or an outing to be enjoyed for itself................. You just forgot that, in a moment of weakness.
On the other hand, a girl who has to dance every night in Nana or Cowboy may well appreciate the rest and change of scenery, so long as you don't bring her to some really intimidating place where she would feel uncomfortable and out of her depth.
A Thai girl, who has been 'Westernized',( whatever that may mean ) or studied or lived in the West, is blaze and dismissive of a lot of what you may consider nice or good....merely because she is still very much Thai,through and through. She may also have picked up along the way, some parasitic ideas and attitudes from Western women.
Some guys reading this thread may get a wrong idea about the inferred educational difference between Nana and Cowboy girls and club girls. There is no difference.
Some of you would be surprised at how many girls in bj bars and Go-Go bars have gone to University and 'earned' a Thai degree.
This is a male dominated society, exploited, corrupted and riddled with poverty and injustice and discrimination.
If a girl qualifies with a degree and joins a company on the strength of her qualifcations but learns that for the 8,000 baht per month as salary and any prospect of promotion, she must make herself available to managers and visiting customers, she might as well financially benefit by entering the 'entertainment' business.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Having said that, there are loads and loads of Thai ladies, girls, women,and amongst them all, there are jewels to be found, who have integrity, honesty and fairness, who will not play you or try to drain you ( of money ) and who will want to be with you and love you and be loved by you.
But have you ever looked for that pefect shell on the seashore. They are harder to find, but once found, you have them for life.
But if, as I would think that majority on this board are not in the venture of looking for a long-time partner, their criteria are different.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:56 am on Nov. 21, 2008
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Pegasus1
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Joe:
I'm running out now. But I would like to respond to your post. Very insightful. Will post on Sunday. Please read and reply...
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:26 am on Nov. 21, 2008
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Pegasus1
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I have read the excellent post from Joe Wood. I myself do not claim expertise on women, especially Thai women. However, I have been actively involved in the Thai community for over 15 years. I will comment on several of Joe’s points:
1. I also, have not spent time with “Western Hookers”. Many of us have no desire to pay for sex in our native land. On the other hand, we approach ‘Thai nightlife’ in its ‘fullest’ forms as being socially and even morally acceptable. Perhaps this is because we are away from our ‘native’ homeland; or perhaps we are just rationalizing. I believe that many of us do NOT look at Thai working girls as being hookers. We see them as soft cuddly creatures who are ‘working’ to simply support themselves. We see them not as ladies of the night; but as women who we fantasized about our whole lives. They are the perfect woman who does our every whim and seemingly does not complain. No! Even better, she actually enjoys our company and feels like we are the perfect lover. I have not gone off the deep end here. After a short while, I know in my brain that this is not true; but my small head still believes. Thus the next point…
2.The ‘working thai girls’ I have encountered seem to fall into two clear categories. The first is the ‘classic working girl’. She is a good actress and goes through the motions like a pro. She completes her obligations, is paid and moves on. This ‘relationship’ is physical, and satisfies me physically. However, I have encountered a second group. This is the girl who wants to move up in Thai society. She uses me and all her customers to learn how to make this rise (usually getting a rise out of me along the way). She travels and goes “out” with me. She is interested in my business, and how to make money while not on her back. I have actually hired some of these girls in my business with very good results. As an aside, I have never slept with one of these girls after they began working for me. Not out of any selfless meaning; rather I felt it was not good business to mix the two.
3. Now it gets a bit scary. After many years of “knowing” these women, I feel I do not know them at all. I mentioned before, that I studied Thai culture and religion. In addition, I have spent considerable time all over Thailand. However, I still do not get it. Thai men are from another planet. I have trouble dealing with them in business. They treat their women like shit. In addition, they are arrogant in their own Thai way. Some Thai women may act in a “mercenary” manner, but the men are truly warlike. Frightening!
4.I agree with you Joe that most Thai women do not appreciate my mores and culture leanings. I call some of them “Westernized” because they dress, talk and act like a Westerner. This drives me crazy, as Thai culture is beautiful. I am aghast at how some of these lovely ladies throw their history out the window (with the bath water). But, then again, they are treated like shit…
5.Again, Joe, you are right. I know many Thai girls with a level of education. They cannot seem to get ahead, so they resort to whatever pays the bills. It also seems that Thai society places a heavy burden on these girls to support their families. It was not long ago that we went through the same thing in America. We do not want to admit this. It was not until the second decade of the 20th century that women could even vote. Need I say more?
6.My last point Joe is about long time relationships. I have known about a dozen Thai women over ten years. These are women who I was intimate with at one time or another. Many of them I could picture being my “life partner”. Your analogy to the ‘perfect seashell on the sea shore’ is on the mark. I guess the truth is, I was not really looking for that “partner”. I fool myself that sex and love are one in the same. I convince myself that by paying these girls I am only acting in a platonic manner. Yes! I fool myself often.
I recently saw an ad for some product (I honestly forget what they were selling). But, the text went something like this.
WHAT IS A JOURNEY?
A JOURNEY IS NOT A TRIP!
IT IS NOT A VACATION!
IT’S A PROCESS – A DISCOVERY…
IT’S A PROCESS OF SELF DISCOVERY.
A JORNEY BRINGS US, FACE TO FACE WITH OURSELVES.
A JOURNEY NOT ONLY SHOWS US THE WORLD,BUT HOW WE FIT INTO IT.
DOES THE PERSON CREATE THE JOURNEY?
OR, DOES THE JOURNEY MAKE THE PERSON?
THE JOURNEY IS LIFE ITSELF.
WHERE WILL LIFE TAKE YOU…
Thanks Joe for your insightful post…
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:18 pm on Nov. 22, 2008
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