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mansaturday
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ManSaturday replying!
This is the second thread I have been guilty of launching (see also the one on trimming pubic hair).
Innocent questions and then the fun really starts. What is it with you guys?!
Are you all American lawyers, or what? (Oops, I can see the lawsuits coming!)
Keep cool, men. All I wanted was a cuddle in the morning, for Heaven's sake.
(By the way, I really liked your most recent answer, Arcadius. Much appreciated the pro bono work.)
Cheers. I'm in BKK and I'm gotta get myself a girl, and she's going to have to work overtime. Ironic, no?
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:23 am on Dec. 19, 2003
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eyeswideopen
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Quote: from 3cazzi on 2:37 am on Dec. 19, 2003
About the best way to enjoy a novel I believe that what should be appreciated is the ability of the author that makes you so involved that you forget that you paid for the book.
This is a strange opinion. Have you ever heard of a library? I've never - ever - thought about the transaction involved in me getting a book when I read it. This is very strange, how often do you actually read? Arc's point was clear in his use of the metaphor but yours is an oddity.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 8:57 am on Dec. 19, 2003
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3cazzi
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mansaturday,
I don't have anything against you and your thread, if I wasn't explicit enough about it I have to apologise...
But is not necessary to be a lawyer to understand that the innocence is not in the questions as well as it is not in the answers.
How would you judge Michael Jackson if it was proved that he didn't have any sexual action with the kids but just wanted a cuddle in the morning?
Can you see? The same things can change perspective dramatically while you change the situation and, in a public forum, there are many situations...
Best wishes for your staying in Bkk.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:30 am on Dec. 20, 2003
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3cazzi
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eyeswideopen,
excuse me for the oddity, but I just tried to stay in the circle of Arcadius' metaphor and discuss about who is supposed to make the action. (the author or the reader)
Bad try for someone like me which, as you meant to say, is so thick to not know what a library is.
So I'll try to be more direct, as compete to someone thick as me who thinks that if you reverse the subject with the object you may get a different meaning...
Here I go:
There is someone who pretends to have a romance with someone else which is consenting to act for it, just in change of money.
And then, there is who pays services to such good professional which has the talent to involve you so much that seems that you are living a romance.
Can you tell the difference?
I believe that in the first case you don't need to go to LOS for a GFE and, in general, I think that in any relation, especially in those P4P related, who plays with its own fantasy only... must be a wanker!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:31 am on Dec. 20, 2003
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Arcadius
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3cazzi
Well, I think I grasp the distinction you're making.
However, in practice, I don't think I've ever encountered the 'consenting to act' scenario in Thailand. In fact, I don't believe the girls operate the GFE at the level of simple play-acting at all. If they did, it just wouldn't be possible for so many of them to sustain the illusion with such complete success.
It follows, I think, that individual 'talent' doesn't really come into it. I suspect it has a lot more to do with the Thai propensity to conflate the outward appearance of things with the reality (a mental habit almost diametrically opposed to the Western). Applying this to the GFE, the girls actually assume the role of girlfriend rather than just playing it - for the required duration. Then they just switch it off. They seem to be able to do this quite naturally.
It's still not 'real', but it's a lot more real than consciously acting a part could be. Hence, I think, the genuine confusion it causes unaccustomed farangs and all the problems and misunderstandings which arise from that.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:25 pm on Dec. 20, 2003
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CiaoCiao
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Quote: from Arcadius on 11:25 pm on Dec. 20, 2003
Applying this to the GFE, the girls actually assume the role of girlfriend rather than just playing it - for the required duration. Then they just switch it off. They seem to be able to do this quite naturally.
Big distinction - spot-on insight!
But given that observation, can they as easily, and completely, turn off the the ill effects that are a natural part of broken relationships, and to be fair even theirs, or do you suppose that it builds up psychologically?
Remember, avoidance of that consequence (the Pretty Woman syndrome) is one of the reasons that Western pros try to stay aloof.
Another reason I believe to return the favors of TGs/GFE, with special care.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:13 pm on Dec. 20, 2003
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ukguy84
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mansaturday
Yr attitude stinks mate.
If you go to BKK telling yourself, well im paying her so she will do as I say, you will not have the real BKK experience.
You might as well stay at home.
Why do you think so many people go back to BKK so many times? Its because its different, but its going to do me no good trying to explain to you why and how its different, you will find out for yourself then you will understand, then you will also find out why others in here giving you little respect.
Get yr attitude to the girl right and you will have the time of yr life.
Now that’s the second time I have spent my time advising you, 1st your pubes and now your attitude, don’t waste good advice, up to you!!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:55 pm on Dec. 20, 2003
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PopSecret
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Quote: from ukguy84 on 4:55 pm on Dec. 20, 2003
Yr attitude stinks mate.
Now that’s the second time I have spent my time advising you, 1st your pubes and now your attitude, don’t waste good advice, up to you!!
Follow your own damn advice.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:16 pm on Dec. 20, 2003
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Arcadius
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CiaoCiao
It's a very good question and I can't pretend to know the answer. Probably there is no definitive answer.
Speculating madly, I'd guess that the conflation of outward appearance and reality is never complete. For example, a Thai student who is expected to respect his teachers will do so - certainly at a deeper level than just keeping up appearances - but this may not accord with his innermost feelings. To what extent he is consciously aware of the latter I don't know, and I suspect this probably varies quite a lot between individuals.
In GFE terms, I think many of the girls are quite capable of slipping into 'girlfriend' mode with just about any client they don't find repugnant or obnoxious. However, there will often be no underlying feelings involved at all, in which case the GFE can probably be switched off as if it had never been.
But in the nature of things, they must sometimes conceive a degree of genuine affection for the guy they're with and/or start fantasising (probably very unrealistically) about the better life they think he could offer them. It follows that they must have something to lose when it all comes to nothing - how much will depend on the size of their investment. I'm sure many of the girls have been disappointed (to a greater or lesser extent) time and again, and it's difficult to imagine this doesn't have a cumulative psychological effect.
Quite what effect presumably depends on the girl's character. It's pretty obvious that we punters react very differently to similar disappointments.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:39 am on Dec. 21, 2003
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