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Kris
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Quote: from bkkz on 11:42 am on Jan. 21, 2003
If we want to recommend a girl, then leave out the details. If we want to write the details, then leave out the girl's identity and place of work. That's very easy to follow.
BK,
I agree with you 100% on this. As Pinga summed it up, "B-girl identity + place of work + detailed field report is NOT a good cocktail."
I for one would love to see this topic put to rest and this is a good solution. IMHO this and other controversies are not doing the forum any good. The forum has lost its direction and I see more posts here with members attacking each other than giving out information. Maybe there should be "guidelines" (???) regarding personal attacks by members on other members.
Kris
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:21 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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haam sup
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"Ham Soup is a totalitarian Nazi, who wants to force his views on everyone, using abuses and threats, instead of using democratic means such as opinion polls, survey, referendum etc"
Both totalitarian AND Nazi? ÝI'm seriously (and redundantly) disgruntled now!
Oh, yes, by all means, let's have an opinion poll!
Everyone who thinks Simon a swell fellow, raise your hands...
I don't see a thing. ÝQED.
By the way, note that, as yet, the only threats I have made are hollow - I still haven't perfected the remote bitch-slap. ÝBut I'm working on it. ÝC'mon, lean just a bit closer to the screen...closer...damn, back to the drawing board!
ham soufle
this is, by far, the most fun I've had in a while.
i need to get out more.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:45 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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X
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 is this a sense of unity I detect in the forum?
(re Kris's BK's and Pinga's latest posts.)
I do really hope so.
This seems to me like a reasonable middle ground that the majority of us would support.
-Intimate detailed posts... no names or other details that could identify the girls..
-Generic posts/recomendations/warnings... ok to name girl.
Can we all live with that?
(*crosses fingers and says 'pretty please'*).
I have to agree with Kris that all this cat-fighting is damaging for the forum.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:02 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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haam sup
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Hey X,
How long did it take you to sift through all the stuff on this board before you found something to cry about?
Want some CHEESE with that WHINE?
And while you're at it, point us to some of the more enlightening bits you've posted recently.
You sit back, express gratuitous opinion about everybody else's posts, and have very little to contribute. ÝI guess minding everybody else's business IS your business.
Wake up and smell the khlong, toots.
haam sup
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 10:29 am on Jan. 21, 2003
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Chompoo
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Okay, some of the same misconceptions (and some new ones) have come up in this thread that need to be addressed.
Privacy
Choosing to review a girl (by name) in a review while using pseudonyms on this board is not hypocritical. We have chosen not to use our real names, the girls have the same choice. If privacy was a big, recurring issue for them, they would choose pseudonyms (just as strippers do here). The fact that they don't, by itself, indicates that this is not a major problem.
Details
People keep deliberately or accidentally confusing the issue here. No sensible poster is still advocating revealing a great amount of intimate details while still naming the girl. Using Tyler's girl (or Nokna's girls) as an example is irrelevant to the current debate.
Psychopaths or Religious Nuts (isn't that redundant?)
It is ridiculous to believe that a psychopath needs to go on a website such as this to target bargirls. This might be a reason not to give out the phone number or email of a girl, but not a reason to identify a girl in a bar. Really, this argument is just silly.
Gaow and Saeng (and BigD's girls to name a few)
It has been argued that just because some girls benefit from the publicity (and appreciate the business) that that doesn't mean all other girls would, so we therefore must protect them.
There is no doubt that some percentage of girls will have their feelings hurt by reviews, and there is an extremely remote chance that a girl's secret life will be compromised. Anyone who is swayed by these small percentages and/or minor annoyances is overly sympathetic (to the point of crying themselves to sleep) or just really, really bad at math.
What most people are missing in this discussion is that some (perhaps most) honest, hard-working girls do benefit from reviews being allowed. If you do not allow reviews with names, these girls lose out. That is a concrete benefit for some girls vs. a purely hypothetical (and incredibly rare) amount of damage.
Can anyone really relate, even second hand, the case of a girl who was seriously hurt by seeing her name on a bulletin board? Let's look at those cases and see how bad they really are (if anyone can find one). I haven't even heard any plausible imagined cases that are very compelling.
Consent
Some members have proposed that we allow reviews only in the cases where the girls have explicitly consented beforehand. IMHO, that is a horrible idea.
The first problem is that the girls really have little ability to evaluate that decision and it is highly unlikely they will make an informed, rational decision. What does the release form say? "I, Nok at PussyBar, allow XXX to disclose that he f_cked me in the ass for 2000B."
The second problem is that it immediately eliminates all the bad reviews, thus harming the innocent while protecting the guilty. Certainly the girl that ripped me off is not going to consent.
The third problem is that most guys don't think about this at the time, or would find it awkward to discuss (if they even could explain it when communications are strained already).
The fourth and major problem is that it takes away many of the benefits (e.g. all of the above) of reviews, while preserving the most damaging aspects. There is nothing to prevent a random malicious (or unthinking) guy to claim that the review was approved by the girl.
You are handcuffing the good guys, while giving the bad ones free reign. Protecting the bad girls and hurting the vast majority of good girls who would appreciate (or at least not mind) the nice review.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:35 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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ABC
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haam sup:
I find most of your posts to be direct, but also informative. So then, why the attack on "X"?? In my opinion that post was just direct and had no information.
She gave her opinion just like everyone else. Am I missing something??
****
Kudo's to all who have expressed validate points in trying to help with this issue.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:27 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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nokna
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ABC.
i agree with you about the post from HS.
i don't know why he attacked X.
what did she say to upset anyone.
but then again it's all about what has been discussed privately.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:40 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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X
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HS, I could be a smartass and reply that I'll accept your offer of a piece of cheese with my whine, only if you accept my offer of some salt for that massive chip on your shoulder. However... swapping insults gets boring after a while, and I'm quite sure not what the majority of the forum members come here to read.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:32 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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haam sup
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Quote: from ABC on 4:27 am on Jan. 22, 2003
haam sup:
I find most of your posts to be direct, but also informative. So then, why the attack on "X"?? In my opinion that post was just direct and had no information.
She gave her opinion just like everyone else. Am I missing something??
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Kudo's to all who have expressed validate points in trying to help with this issue.
ABC,
Just tired of cheerleaders and dogpilers. ÝX has mainly sniped on this issue, has no direct knowledge, and hasn't added to the thread, except smug and irrelevant outbursts.
X proposing an inane set of 'compromises' was enough. ÝI can't begin to imagine what motivates her to any opinion at all, unless it's voyeuristic. ÝShe will never file a FR, or have to deal with the issue of a Thai woman's privacy, except to whine about her opportunities for vicarious voyeurism being abridged.
Please!
And Kris was nowhere to be found when the original issue arose. ÝSuddenly he (ably cheered on by X) is the arbiter of what is damaging to the forum.
I had a weak moment.
I AM beginning to regret the sum total of this subject, because of its disrespect to BK's house.
I also have to admit that I am pessimistic that it will have any positive effect. ÝI will note, however, that what is now being proposed as a good compromise was roundly rejected, villified, tarred, feathered, and carried out of town on a rail before Arcadius, Kaymanx, you, and a few others stuck our necks out to bring some light to this discussion.
Anyway, I'm about done swimming upstream. ÝAt least for tonight.
I agree with your advice that we all use good judgement in our posts. ÝThe need for rules arises when there is shown to be a lack of good judgement.
Just read the pages.
haam sup
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:31 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
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