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Kaymanx:
Again, no worries pal.
What I did fail to mention is yes I did surprise her once and said let's go check our e-mail. She was extremely reluctant. In fact everytime we walked near an internet cafe she walked faster and seemed a bit paranoid about internet cafes with me. That's what got my suspicion up and wanted to see what exactly is she trying to hide. (again after a little educational background and examining her reactions and/or expressions regarding the matter. So that's when I took matters into my own hands as I found this just a bit strange.
As far as 2 or more e-mail accounts, no she wasn't that bright about computers or accounts and her English at that time was poor to say the least. Also, that's where the PI came in to confirm this.
Simply a little checking before getting into the wrong relationship and as I said before, it was all for nothing as first yes it was a challenge, but then it was disappointing that I found nothing (which most people said you should be happy, which looking back yes I got the answer I wanted).
Not saying this is for everyone, agree the relationship takes an extremely long time and money to build. But like you said, the trust has to come first. Some people take it blindly, some people do a little research first.
Thanks for the best wishes and the beer offer. Again no hard feeling pal, I think we're actually on the same wavelength, just might have come across the wrong way as to our opinions.
And the best to you also whatever your agenda is in LOS, I'm there quite frequently and the next time I go if you are also there I'll Pm you my cell number for that beer. Thanks.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:29 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
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haam sup
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Wow!
JHJ said:
"Is anyone here familiar with the concept of tailoring your behaviour to suit your environment? Whats acceptable behaviour for dealing with Ýa TG is definitely not appropriate behaviour for dealing with members of this forum or elsewhere. And most of us know that. No need for a pedantic lecture on that score."
This is scary!
Holmsy - ever heard of INTEGRITY?
integrity - Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
It's what separates us from criminals. ÝIt's the idea that you know the difference between right and wrong, and act according to your conscience, NOT according to what is convenient at the time.
Yeah, it MIGHT be convenient for me to snog a few bills from the register when no one's looking, and since there are several people with access, I wouldn't be likely to get caught, BUT *I* know it's wrong, so I don't do it,
Get it?
I can't begin to express how disgusting that quote is, so I'll just hang it up...
haam sup
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 9:04 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
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PolePolisher
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JHJ said:
"Is anyone here familiar with the concept of tailoring your behaviour to suit your environment? Whats acceptable behaviour for dealing with Ýa TG is definitely not appropriate behaviour for dealing with members of this forum or elsewhere. And most of us know that. No need for a pedantic lecture on that score."
to which HS replied
haam sup Posted on 9:04 am on Aug. 27, 2003
"I can't begin to express how disgusting that quote is, so I'll just hang it up... "
Gods knows who said.
"When in Rome do as the Romans do"
HS
I don't see how JHJ's statement compromises his integrity, if one's moral or ethical code dictates that one will deal with others in a way that you might reasonably expect them to deal with you then surely there is no loss of personal integrity.
How many members would be prepared to stick to a strict moral and ethical code when faced with a cash demand from the local boys in brown or go directly to jail situation? ÝNot too many I'll wager, unless they've got Chaiwut's millions.
What dragged me into this thread in the first place was a resentment of so called moral majority trying to dictate ethical and morale standards and using phrases such as "Most people think" and "Anybody knows" to back up their assertions. ÝWell sorry guys I for one have my own set of principles, ethics and morals (and don't assume I set the bar low) which are modified reletive to my life experiences. ÝI think natural law dictates the basic principles, ethics and morals for life as demonstrated in almost all religions but the rest is up to us.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:34 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
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JHolmesJr
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Pole Polisher, thanks for a very polished reply. The message is clear: don't foist your ethics and moral standards on people who you don't know and never will.
Hamster, from the high ground of your posts, i take it you behave the same way with everyone, talk to your boss the same way you talk to a BG. If so, that's fine.
I just can't be like that. My behaviour is tailored to deal differently with different people while trying to maintain a uniform code of what's right and wrong. Complex? Well, that's me. I am nice to nice people and a real lup sup with the lup sups of this world. If that rocks your moral dinghy, what can I do? Dont know whats so hard to grasp about that.
Arramsey, take a chill pill dude, I dont know what you're on about.
You said: JHJ , so essentially what you are saying is that one can behave unethically with someone who is not as intelligent or as knowledgeable . Do you really believe in this philosophy ? or are you just trying to throw in futile arguments for the sake of arguing ?
I didnt say or imply that. Read the top part of this post again. Slowly. Then maybe you and all the other priests on the forum will understand what I'm saying.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:26 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
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Arramsey
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QUOTE from ccvvbb :-
Quote: from Arramsey on 4:15 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
....if you learned to read English properly you would have noticed by now that I only have condomless sex with the 4 girls who are permanently out of the p4p scene.... Incidentally (knowing them ) not one of them would condescend to have sex ( with or without condom ) with a low life like you...
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Who the f_ck said anything about having sex with the 4 girls you are talking about, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a girl you choose to stick your diseased cock into. It is c***s like you that spread disease around by not using a condom. (I shouldn't call you a c***, a c*** is a usefull thing...)
BK and all other members, I know the rules have been broken with my language and flaming of another member but when I am attacked personally (it started here http://bkkx.com/cgi-bin/forum/topic.cgi?forum=22&topic=538&start=25 I am going to retaliate.
ccvvbb ,
Before running to Mommy crying " He hit me first" kindly go back on this Thread and you will see that it is you who started the flaming .
In fact Smegma was suprised that I had finally re-acted !!
Obviously you have no qualms in dishing it out - but you cry like a baby when you get hit back .
BUT - more importantly it is interesting to note that you skip all the important issues that have been raised because you are on a losing wicket and instead try to gain sympathy with this " He hit me first" post .
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:28 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
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Arramsey
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X ,
Thanks for all that very relevant information on the book "Hello my big honey".
However , whatever the claims to authenticity , I have very serious doubts because as has been proven time and again , what is claimed to be authentic is later found to have been concocted ( e.g. the recent New York Times debacle & also the scandal a few years ago when a highly rated factual book was found to be concocted .
The E-Mails in "Hello my big honey" may be genuine - BUT until I have absolute proof I am only going to take them as illustrations that the author has painted about what he has experienced .
If ccvvbb's posts are also to be taken like this - then I have no objections . But since ccvvbb says that these are actual E-Mails then I have serious objections .
I once again pose this question - If the E-Mail from the "other guy" that ccvvbb posted happened to be from a member of this Forum - do you think that it would be fair to that member ?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:43 pm on Aug. 26, 2003
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X
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Arramsey, what is absolute proof of authenticity (for the book I mean)? ÝThe authorís word? ÝThe BGís word who provided him with the letters? ÝThe translator who helps the BGs with the correspondence? Ý
Comparing CCVBís email and the letters/emails in the book, I would say we have about as much proof of absolute authenticity, i.e. CCVBís word that the email real, & the author of the bookís word that the letters/emails are real. ÝIf we believe CCVB, surely we have to believe the author of the book.
The only real difference I can see is ìownershipî. ÝIn the case of the book, assuming everything the author tells us is true, he received the letters from BGís. ÝThe letters were sent to the BGs by their farang boyfriends and they gave the letters (or copies) to the author ñ the letters were the BGís property, at least legally if not morally, to do with as they wished. ÝIn CCVBís case he took the letter without permission or knowledge of the owner. Ý
However in both scenarios the ìpoor farang menî end up with their correspondence opened up to a far wider audience than they had imagined. ÝIn both cases the names were changed. Ý
Now to answer your questionÖ
If the E-Mail from the "other guy" that ccvvbb posted happened to be from a member of this Forum - do you think that it would be fair to that member ?
LOL, can I answer a question with a question? ÝWhat if one of the letters in ìHello My Big Honeyî turned out to be from a member of this forumÖ would that be fair on the forum member? ÝHe sends a love-letter to his Thai sweetheart, baring his heart and soul and love for her in that letter, and she gives it to some guy to Ýuse in the making of his book. Ý
(maybe the BGs even sold the letters to the author for financial gain?)
Looking at it from the senders p.o.v I would imagine CCVBís email would be less of a shock to the sender than the letters in the book, as the letters in the book were of a very personal nature. ÝAlso, I imagine CCVBís letter will be read by a far smaller group of people than has read or will read the book in question. Ý
The two scenarios (the book and CCVB's letter) are in no way identical - but they are similar enough to discuss. Ý
I managed to read the book without getting morally outraged at the horrid BGs who would be so callous & uncaring as to allow private love letters of theirs to be published without the knowledge of the sender. ÝI also managed to get through CCVB's post with the same lack of moral outrage. Ý
That is not to say that CCVB or the BGs acted in an impeccably moral way. ÝBut then again, neither do I all of the time. Ý
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:36 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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Arcadius
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Hoo boy.
X & Arramsey
In the introduction to 'My Big Honey' they make clear that the letters, e-mails &c were used with the permission of the girls interviewed. No publisher would have touched it otherwise. It is well established that the legitimate recipient of private correspondence is entitled to use it however they wish. Unauthorised interception and use by third parties is illegal in most jurisdictions. This has nothing to do with the present case.
JHJr
A person cannot and should not be as labelled as unethical on the basis of this one act. Lets see how some of the more 'ethical' members on this forum act if, alone at 3 in the morning, they find an ATM on a deserted road with PIN no. written behind it. And how they behave if they find the same with their girlfriend looking on
God knows, it is not difficult to be one of the 'more ethical members on this forum'. This situation would not cause me the slightest difficulty since I was brought up to believe that stealing is wrong. Further I wouldn't have any hesitation in labelling anyone who acted otherwise as a thief, since that is what he would be. I don't quite understand where the girlfriend comes in. Perhaps you feel that stealing should be a private matter and, needless to say, purely between the thief and his conscience.
It's all subjective, on a case by case basis, darling
Indeed, sugar-plum, and we are discussing THIS case. Or evading it, as the case may be.
PolePolisher
if one's moral or ethical code dictates that one will deal with others in a way that you might reasonably expect them to deal with you then surely there is no loss of personal integrity
You might just as well say that if one's moral or ethical code dictates that f_cking 10yos in some back-street Pattaya dive is OK then there is no loss of personal integrity if you do so.
No - except that in such a case you might well find that no-one else gave a flying f_ck about your moral or ethical code OR your personal integrity. Would that be the moral majority dictating standards? Yes indeedy.
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What you don't appear to grasp is that this is not about your principles, or lack of them, but about other people's rights. And other people's rights do not depend on the principles, ethics and integrity of moral defectives - which is why the criminal law and all that goes with it is a regrettable necessity. Ý Ý
To bring it back to the case in hand, the criminalisation of the interception & publication of private correspondence is a regrettable necessity because creatures like ccvvbb exist.
No-one on this forum, almost by definition, would claim to have particularly high moral standards. There are, however, some whose moral standards are quite spectacularly low. And no that isn't a personal accusation - I have no idea how you behave in practice.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:19 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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JHolmesJr
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Arcadius, you have an uncanny ability to misinterpret comments and thus prolong discussions long beyond their shelf life. No one asked your views on what constitutes thievery. So... what you talking about, dawg!
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:38 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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X
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In the introduction to 'My Big Honey' they make clear that the letters, e-mails &c were used with the permission of the girls interviewed. No publisher would have touched it otherwise. It is well established that the legitimate recipient of private correspondence is entitled to use it however they wish. Unauthorised interception and use by third parties is illegal in most jurisdictions. This has nothing to do with the present case.
ARC,
I already agreed the "ownership" of the letters were what made the book different to CCVB's letter. Ý
And sure, the BGs who gave or sold their love letters to the author of "hello my big honey" were acting within the law, I don't deny that... but were they acting ethically? ÝIs it ok to be unethical or immoral as long as it's legal? Ý
I wouldn't say the book has everything to do with this case, but there are enough similarities in my opinion to make it worth mentioning. Ý
If I were to get on my moral high horse and beat CCVB over the head with my cyber-hammer for being an unethical prick of a guy (which I won't do, because I know I have been guilty of acting less than 100% ethically perfect at times too) - then I would also have to beat the unethical BG's who sold (or gave away) their love letters with my hammer too.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 5:39 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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