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At the end of the day, the message is very clear.
You can't trust anybody, not even family!
But I still love this place 
TC
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:42 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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Arcadius
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X
There is no comparison. When you write a letter to someone known to you, you trust them to use it in a way that you would find acceptable, and you tailor the contents accordingly. If I were to write a personal account of my doings in BKK over the last week, I would write a very different letter to my best mate in London than to my mother-in-law in Bangkok. At any event, a letter (or e-mail) becomes the property of the addressee. If you don't like the use they make of it, that is between you and them.
Intercepted mail is stolen property. Use of it in most jurisdictions is a criminal offence. Do you believe this is just pointless state oppression, or that there is such a thing as 'freedom from' as well as 'freedom to' and that such liberties deserve to be defended?
To personalise the matter, I do not want this little turd hacking into my private e-mails to BGs and posting them on this forum. Nor do I accept for a second that he has any right whatever to do this. Nor do I expect to have to tailor my private correspondence accordingly.
What is the essential difference between what he is doing and what DG proposed to do? Apart from the fact that he actually does it while DG was just talking about it. Ý Ý
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:05 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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X
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Arc,
There is no comparison. When you write a letter to someone known to you, you trust them to use it in a way that you would find acceptable, and you tailor the contents accordingly. If I were to write a personal account of my doings in BKK over the last week, I would write a very different letter to my best mate in London than to my mother-in-law in Bangkok. At any event, a letter (or e-mail) becomes the property of the addressee. If you don't like the use they make of it, that is between you and them.
Iíll leave the ìthere is no comparisonî bit aloneÖ I think there is... but it doesnít really matter. ÝI also assume if and when you have ever written a love-letter to a woman youíre in love with, that you didnít tailor it thinking she would sell it (or give it) to an author to include in a book.
I agree on the letter being the property of the addressee, I just donít agree that ethically the addressee can do anything he or she pleases with that letterÖ legally perhaps, ethically - no way. Ý
As for email and postal mailÖ hmmm, Iím not sure and I really canít be bothered checking my internet providerís/email providers terms or agreementÖ but isnít it up to me as a user of their service to ensure I take reasonable precautions to ensure the privacy of my email? Ýi.e I donít give it out my password to other people, I logout of my email account when using a shared computer to view email etc? ÝLike the same way I donít have a leg to stand on if I give you my P.I.N number (or you check in my purse and find where I have written it down), and you ìstealî money from my bank account. ÝCCVB didnít hack this girlís email account, she was careless with her password I think, or didnít log out.
Intercepted mail is stolen property. Use of it in most jurisdictions is a criminal offence. Do you believe this is just pointless state oppression, or that there is such a thing as 'freedom from' as well as 'freedom to' and that such liberties deserve to be defended?
I have no qualms with the laws regarding mailÖ I donít think however that they apply to email. Ý
To personalise the matter, I do not want this little turd hacking into my private e-mails to BGs and posting them on this forum. Nor do I accept for a second that he has any right whatever to do this. Nor do I expect to have to tailor my private correspondence accordingly.
Neither would IÖ. I would be horrified if some ìlittle turdî hacked into my email and publicized my correspondence. ÝI would be equally horrified if some ìunscrupulous bitch of a BGî sold the love-letters I sent her to some guy to publicise in a book. Ý
Also, I think that ìreasonable doubtî comes into this equation of snooping. Ý
(I donít know if ìreasonable doubtî is the proper phrase in English, but since I canít think of another one I will use it.)
I really donít think my s.o has one ounce of reasonable doubt to suspect me of anything untoward that could possibly warrant him to snoop through my personal stuff. ÝHowever, if he found a strange manís knickers under his pillow and was wondering where why I suddenly have to work late 4 nights a week and come home at midnight smelling like Iíve just stepped out the showerÖ well, I could understand him snooping on me. Ý
In other words, sometimes there is absolutely no reason to snoop, some times there is some reasonable reason to snoop, sometimes you would be insane not to snoop. Ý
What is the essential difference between what he is doing and what DG proposed to do? Apart from the fact that he actually does it while DG was just talking about it.
Iím assuming you mean DG and his proposed taking photos of BGís in compromising situations without their permission or knowledge? Ý The obvious difference is, if I was the guy who wrote the email to CCVBís girl, or the girl who received the emailÖ my identity is safe. ÝNo one knows that is was me who sent the email or received it. With the photos I am easily identifiable. Ý Also, the potential for damage to the BG or the farang guy with the email is quite superficial compared to the potential damage to a woman whose naked pics in compromising sexual situations are splashed all over the net. Ý
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:51 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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Arcadius
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I regret, X, that I fundamentally disagree with you on virtually every point you raise here.
However, as I now need to go and get laid, I cannot deal with this at present.
However, the interception & unauthorised use of e-mail is certainly a criminal act in the US (see an earlier post) and I am pretty sure the same applies in the UK. You may want to do a search for Holland. In general the same rules apply for electronic mail as for snail mail.
Also, I might add, to electronic eavesdropping. Why wouldn't they? Exactly the same principles apply.
Possibly, I don't know, you may want to take the line that if I open a telephone account, it is my responsibility to ensure that it is not tapped. Further, that I should make sure that everyone I phone has made the same checks. Further, that if should say something indiscreet and my conversational partner blabs, that this is on a par with ccvvbb or some other nosy little motherf_cker I don't know from Adam tapping into the line and publishing a transcript.
No it damn well isn't.
But enough, BG2 awaits to put me in a sweeter mood and restore my sadly battered faith in humanity...
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 9:45 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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Smegma
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Quote: from Arcadius on 9:45 pm on Aug. 27, 2003
I regret, X, that I fundamentally disagree with you on virtually every point you raise here.
Arc, I BASICALLY disagree with you saying that you FUNDAMENTALLY disagree with X on virtually every point. Because FUNDAMENTALLY the two of you have already agreed as your previous posts. Reading X post, she even says or implies that she agrees with you ... so unless you disagree with her generallyl agreeing with you.... ..... Of course, there are minor differences in your posts, but ... what is the expression for this? Hair splitting?
BTW, I think we are starting to read already things said a few pages back. I hope this doesn't turn into another "I hurt someone" thread where every 4 pages the same things were said again and again.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:57 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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fastmover
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Wow! What a thread. I was really confused until I printed out all the posts.....and then held each one up to a mirror so I could read it backwards.
Now I understand.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:03 am on Aug. 27, 2003
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X
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Arc,
The point that I think Smeg was making, ìshe even says or implies that she agrees with youîÖ yes on a personal level I do absolutely agree with you. I would never access someoneís email account and wouldnít copy someone elseís private correspondence to this (or any other) forum. But there are SO many things I would never do, I still donít feel confident or justified in expecting others to adhere to my moral & ethical boundaries.
While I have never been guilty of email theft, I have been guilty of many similar things ñ and I suspect 99% of the members of this community are also guilty of similar things, the ìgrey areaî things. The black & white things are the easy ones to say where right & wrong lieÖ I think weíll all agree that beating the shit out of an 80yr old woman while we steal her purse is wrong. And while we might call out things like ìtheft is wrongî, most of us steal in one way or another, we just tend to give it nicer names like "a perk of the job".
I do have a problem forcing my moral standards on others, (in the ìgrey areaî things). I have no problem forcing my moral standards on the "black & white" things, like calling the guy the mugged and killed the 80yr old, a murdering scumÖ but do I call Smegma a filthy thief because he stole 2 pens and half a packet of printer-paper from work yesterday?
If people are confident that they havenít been guilty of similar ìcrimesî than that committed by CCVB then they are by all means welcome to throw stones and call him a total lowlifeÖ I KNOW I have been guilty of similar things, so I sure as hell wonít throw stones at him. If I did I would be a hypocrite!
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:38 pm on Aug. 27, 2003
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expatchuck
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X said....."but do I call Smegma a filthy thief because he stole two pens and half a packet of printer-paper from work yesterday?"
It's Smegma! ÝOf course you call him a filthy thief. Ý
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:48 pm on Aug. 27, 2003
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PolePolisher
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Arcadius
I assumed we had got on to a higher level of discussion here, anybody can take a reasonable point of view and then give extreme examples. Please don't take quotes out of context, it's not big and it's not funny. Why did you choose to ignore my statements on basic principles and natural law, perhaps because then the '10 year old boy' example goes out the window?
First yours and others major concerns was about the sensibilities of the guy who wrote the original letter, then when that wasn't going too well we look at the snooping aspect and back and forth ad-infinitum. Also I don't think anybody is questioning the legality of mail interception so why keep bringing it up?
I understand your desire for a hard and fast rule book but in the world that I live in things are not so black and white or clear cut. In conclusion all I'm asking is not to have other peoples standards foisted upon me, I'll make my own decisions thank you very much.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 10:07 pm on Aug. 27, 2003
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ruggedscot
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Right Im sitting here on second road in an internet cafe and well this is really going to shock the lot of you out there that check internet addresses. I have a young thing bedside me no names mentioned but she has spent the last hour or so checking emails, I counted the number of address that she had, 14 yep 14 count em. every one was filled with a different guy's email corresponance. This cookie was efficient as she cut and poted a letter to each and every one of them and personalised them accordingly, she even asked me for some help in cutting and pasting new names and such.
Now dont you get it ? we are walking ATM's a means to get cash. Now if you are happy with this and think that this is okay then it is okay. But do not get deluded, do not fall into the trap that this girl is going to keep herself true to you. U might be a lucky guy and find someone that cares for you and wants to have your babies and live hapily ever after and all that but hey if you believe that then I think that you are sadly deluding yourself.
wake up and smell the coffee here this is a town that you can go and watch guys dressed as women, this is a town that you can go and get a blow job while you watch some porn on the TV. It is an adult disney land and if you want to beleive that you can fall in love and live happily ever after then by all means let it float your boat. Me Im here for the sleazy sex, Im here for the crumpet, the pussy to shag.... I dont delude myself but I get just what i want out of the situation and make full use of the amenities and I stay safe. Dont let them suck you in and take you for a mug. If i can walk in to an internet cafe and see this off the bat just how many times a day do ya think this scam goes on each and every day. The Thai girls are not daft, they are very astute into dupping you into believing what you want to believe.
Take care and make sure that you get what you want out of it okay ! Would you trust a thai taxi driver not to rip you off or bring back your wallet that you left in your car ? I wouldnt so i sure as shit dont trust the women, Im clean Im disease free Im okay I love you long time, yeah just until the money runs out........
rugged siging off from an internet cafe on 2nd road in Pattaya, just ask yourself who is your sweet young Thai girl sitting just now ? Who is she emailing and pleading undelying love. I changed computers after she left and opened up word and pasted the contents of the clip board to the document and it was a letter full of loving remarks and dare I say ego massage, where have you seen that bfore yep good ole US of A women when they want something they stroke that ego of yours so that you go and do it for them. Yep Thai girls are not as daft as what you imagine...............
screw them and walk away....
screw them more than once and your screwed.......
believe it or not and we aint talking ripley's 'ere....
Pattatya Munchkin
aka ruggedscot
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:19 pm on Aug. 27, 2003
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