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Report from The Nation dated 9 March 2012 :-
One killed, 10 injured in Bangkok hotel fire
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A fire broke out at the Grand Park Avenue Hotel, killing one person and injuring 10 others, police said.
The fire broke out on the fourth floor of the 15-storey hotel on Soi Sukhumvit 22 at 9:50 pm.
A body was later found on the fourth floor, which is for holding banquet, by fire fighters.
The injured people were guests staying on the seventh floor. They suffered from inhaling smoke.
Fire fighters took about 30 minutes to control the blaze.
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Posted on: 7:09 pm on Mar. 8, 2012
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Report from Bangkok Post dated 9 March 2012 :-
Two foreigners perish in city hotel fire
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Two foreigners are reported to have died after a fire broke out at the Grand Mercure Park Avenue Hotel on Soi Sukhumvit 22 in Klong Toey district last night.
The fire was reported around 9.40pm. Thong Lor police suspected the blaze started at a seminar room on the fifth floor of the 18-storey building before spreading to other floors.
Two foreigners, a woman and a man, were killed in the fire, said a firefighter.
A western woman reportedly jumped from the sixth floor to a swimming pool when the fire broke out, while the other victim who died was an Asian man who was found dead on the seventh floor. At least 10 people, mostly foreigners, were injured.
At least two foreign guests were seen being carried out unconscious on stretchers, while others walked out from the smoke-filled building with the help of rescue workers.
Most of the guests who were evacuated suffered from smoke inhalation. A western woman in her 20s was seen walking out of the hotel wearing an oxygen mask.
Some guests were seen waving clothes or flashlights from windows.
Firefighter Kraiwit Thongsaeng said officers were trying to help people who were stuck on the fourth, fifth, seventh, and 11th floors. Around 11pm, an officer announced through a loudspeaker that the fire had been brought under control.
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Posted on: 7:11 pm on Mar. 8, 2012
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dirty guru
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Below is the guide to jumping out of a sixth story building into a pool.
The bottom line is that given the average pool might be one to one and a half meters (two if your lucky) deep..the speed that your going to fall makes survival a difficult task....unless you hit the water with a mattress under your arse.
Feet first you die sure.
A belly flop death is also likely due to internal organ damage.
It's a bad one..: : burn or jump....I might a tried sheets down to a lower floor....heavy situation..
Weight / mass is irrelevant unless air resistance is a factor. Falling objects accelerate at 9.81m/sē. That means that after one second, the object is traveling down at 9.81 m/s, after two, 19.62 m/s, etc.
Six stories is approximately 60 feet, or about 18.3 m. After time t, the object is traveling 9.81t m/s, and its average speed is 4.905t m/s. Thus, the traveled distance is 4.905tē m. Now:
18.3 = 4.905tē
3.73 = tē
t ≈ 1.93 s
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Posted on: 8:28 pm on Mar. 8, 2012
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China Sailor
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Close but no cigar DG:
You have to consider that speed is not constant:
Final Velocity = square root((2*g) (d) )
Final Velocity = square root(19.62(18.3) ) or
Final Velocity = square root(359) or
Final Velocity is 18.95 m/sec
As seen above you accelerate on your way down and this has to be allowed for.
So converting the above formula the time is calculated thusly:
Time = square root((2*distance) / g) or
Time = square root((2*18.3) /9.81) or
Time = square root(36.6 /9.81) or
Time = square root(1.85) or
Time = 1.36 seconds
Of course for the iDucks in the audience a disclaimer:
The above calculations assume an initial velocity of '0' (meaning she fell and did not add to her speed by actually jumping), it does not take into account for slowing by air resistance, and lastly it does not account for the fact that gravitational forces are actually lower as you approach the center of the mass (to wit 9.81 m/secē is an average).
To address your second point of jumping into a pool:
All personnel in US Navy basic training are required to jump from a 90 foot tower (27.43 meters) into 10 feet (3 meters) of water. The way they teach you is to go feet first, arch your back, cross you legs at the ankles, and cross your arms on your chest.
When you hit the water you sorta body surf to the surface.... actually it is kinda fun but the secret is you gotta hit the water  ...
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Posted on: 4:16 pm on Mar. 9, 2012
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Here's what I found online
Remember this below fall involves a 51 feet drop......
It shows why I am right and Cihina Sailor wrong
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/283524/two-foreigners-perish-in-city-hotel-fire
Falling Bodies
Name: Mike
Status: other
Age: 30s
Location: N/A
Country: N/A
Date: 2000-2001
Question:
I'm a Police Officer in Ada, Oklahoma. Last week we had a suicide, where the Individual jumped to his death. He weighed approximately 160 pounds and fell 51 feet to his death. During the investigation, it was pondered on how long he was in the air before he landed. It appears that he jumped out from where he was standing 3-5 feet. Can you please help? Doesn't an object reach terminal velocity within 32 feet of falling? One Officer believes it took approx 1.5 seconds, and myself and the medical examiner where thinking it took approx 2 to 2.5 seconds.
thank you
Mike Baker
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Terminal velocity makes the problem a lot more tricky, but fortunately, this doesn't look like terminal velocity had much of an effect in this case.
For a typical person, terminal speed is 60 m/s or approximately 135 miles per hour. A person has to fall over 400 yards before you really need to start taking this into account.
The 32 feet you remember is the acceleration to gravity. A falling object increases its velocity by 32 feet per second per second it falls.
Also, the fact that he jumped out doesn't really affect the equations. If he jumped up or down that would change things slightly, but probably not enough to change the answer by more than a very small fraction of a second.
First we convert feet to meters:
51 feet = 51f/3.28f/m = 15.55 m.
So, from physics we can use the formula for constant acceleration:
x - x0 = v0 * t + 1/2 a*t*t
51/3.28 = 0 + 1/2 * 9.8 * t * t
15.55 = 4.75 * t * t
3.273 = t*t
t = sqrt(3.273)
Time it took then is: 1.81 seconds.
Thanks,
Eric Tolman
By my calculation, it would have taken about 1.8 seconds. t = sqrt(2x/a), where 'x' is the distance in meters and 'a' is 9.8 m/s/s, the acceleration of gravity.
When the guy landed, he would have been moving at around 17 meters/second or 38 mph. I doubt this is close to terminal velocity for a body. I've heard that skydivers routinely get over 100 mph. If so, then it's ok to ignore air resistance in this calculation.
Tim Mooney
If one simply assumes that the object fell 51 feet, without air resistance and zero initial velocity, at least in the vertical direction, then the object would have been in the air for 1.78 seconds. Distance= Acceleration due to gravity x time x time/2
51=32x t squared/2 or the time= 1.78 seconds.
The other factor such as initial velocity in the vertical direction would reduce the time in the air. Achieving terminal velocity, would also increase the time in the air. Unless the poor chap fell with his body parallel to the ground, I doubt that terminal velocity played a role in this scenario.
Dr. Myron
First of all, science aside, my condolences to the victim and his family. Someone takes his own life only when something, somewhere, has gone terribly wrong.
Back to science. You can probably ignore the effects of wind resistance for a human body falling 51 feet. To reach terminal velocity, the wind drag force must equal the weight of the falling body. You have to be going pretty fast for this to happen. Without wind resistance, the speed of a falling object increases by 32 feet per second each second. (This is probably where you heard the "32 feet" number.) It takes a little calculus to figure out how fast an object will be going after falling for 51 feet, and how long it takes to fall that distance. Assuming that it starts from a dead stop, the formulas are:
velocity = v = sqrt(2gh)
time = t = sqrt(2h/g)
where h is the height (distance the object falls) and g is the gravitational acceleration, (32 feet/sec) /sec. From these formulas, an object would take 1.8 seconds to fall 51 feet, and would be traveling 57 ft/s (40 mi/h) when it gets there.
That doesn't sound very fast, does it? It should put into perspective how deadly car crashes can be without all those modern safety features.
Richard E. Barrans Jr., Ph.D.
Assistant Director
PG Research Foundation, Darien, Illinois
Click here to return to the Physics Archives
So China...51 feet takes 1.8
And my 60 feet takes 1.9
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Posted on: 5:34 pm on Mar. 9, 2012
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Quote: from China Sailor on 5:16 am on Mar. 10, 2012
Time = square root(36.6 /9.81) or
Time = square root(1.85)
I don't want to get too scientific, but I agree with DG and his 1.93 seconds.
CS, you were on the same track (your Final Velocity of 18.95 m/sec would take 1.93 seconds to achieve given acceleration of 9.81 m/sec2). Maybe a small math error between the above 2 steps?
More importantly, thanks for the Navy training advice. Could be a lifesaver.
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Posted on: 12:21 pm on Mar. 10, 2012
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dirty guru
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Quote: from localguy on 5:21 am on Mar. 11, 2012
Time = square root(36.6 /9.81) or
Time = square root(1.85)
I don't want to get too scientific, but I agree with DG and his 1.93 seconds.
CS, you were on the same track (your Final Velocity of 18.95 m/sec would take 1.93 seconds to achieve given acceleration of 9.81 m/sec2). Maybe a small math error between the above 2 steps?
The fall of 90 feet into 10 foot of water.....would require a huge degree of expertise...
Given they are navy seals....I will accept that...as I know theses guys are awesome...
I don't believe an average man could do that feat and live...
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Posted on: 11:54 pm on Mar. 10, 2012
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DG,
You should not talk about those things you know nothing about.
All Navy recruits get this training... why? Because the deck of a loaded Aircraft Carrier is about 90' high and if you were to have to jump from one you need to know how to land.
You can not just jump in and go deep, if you do so you could be sucked underneath the ship and either drown, get flayed by the sea growths on the hull, or get chopped up by the blades.
This applies to any modern warship, ergo the Navy needs to teach recruits how to jump off a ship and and survive. A platform and a pool is the best place to teach it.
But I understand your ignorance DG, in a tugboat (or is it really a rowboat as most suggest) the fall is not far enough to go deep.
Another thing that every sailor/marine who will be riding a helo as part of his regular duties has to do is go through the 'dunker'.
The dunker is a CH-53 fuselage that is used to simulate a helo crash at sea. Each testee is given two minutes to familiarize himself with the layout of the space and then they are blindfolded and strapped into troop seats. After all are secured they roll the fuselage off a 10 foot platform into a pool of water. Each testee must, while blindfolded; unstrap himself from his seat, make his way to an exit, exit the fuselage, and make his way to the surface. Only after surfacing will you be able to remove the blindfold. Of course divers with air tanks are available to assist anyone who panics or gets trapped (they fail of course).
I don't even want to think about the escape from a submerged submarine test, or the smoke filled flooding compartment test (all which are also done blindfolded).
So DG, before you go talking crap about something you have never experienced maybe you should think twice and keep your mis-guided opinions to yourself.
From someone who jumped the platform, rode the dunker, escaped from both a flooding smoke filled compartment and a submerged submarine (tests), and been through several other very nasty training evolutions...
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Posted on: 12:23 pm on Mar. 12, 2012
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Go back and read carefully what I said...
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Quote: from localguy on 5:21 am on Mar. 11, 2012
Time = square root(36.6 /9.81) or
Time = square root(1.85)
I don't want to get too scientific, but I agree with DG and his 1.93 seconds.
CS, you were on the same track (your Final Velocity of 18.95 m/sec would take 1.93 seconds to achieve given acceleration of 9.81 m/sec2). Maybe a small math error between the above 2 steps?
The fall of 90 feet into 10 foot of water.....would require a huge degree of expertise...
Given they are navy seals....I will accept that...as I know theses guys are awesome...
I don't believe an average man could do that feat and live...
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Posted on: 4:54 pm on Mar. 11, 2012 |
You need to research and/ or read in respect to subject matter.
Before libel of others.
For the record I own a water taxi business.
Tug boats/ferries were years back.
For the record an ex Australian navy commando diver said to me ( he is now 60)
That your 10 feet water buffer is in question...he thinks it might be more like 15 to 25 feet)
As the fall of 90 foot is at the extreme side.
Of any training and 10 foot of water is awfully shallow.
And we're it true...too many injuries and even deaths might occur
And his training never involved shallows from heights
He said quote ""they (the naval seals are a special group,) but the height and fall into ten feet just doesn't add up....I would say its false"
Perhaps CS can provide the link that shows the water depth used he claims to only be 10 feet
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Posted on: 4:43 pm on Mar. 12, 2012
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Well every recruit in the Navy is not a Navy SEAL (after one shipboard tour I was ELSF).
Fact is most of the recruits who jump off the platform are working stiffs who end up chipping paint or standing engine watches.
As for training for the platform jump an instructor stands in front of the group and demonstrates the technique, then the recruits are marched to the top of the platform and told to jump all done in less than an hour.... it ain't rocket science.
If you have a pool with a High-Dive you can do it yourself, just that the rush is not the same as it is from 90'
And how about cliff divers:
http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/outdoor-activities/water-sports/cliff-diving.htm
Then there are the kids in PI who dive from bridges for money:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrTDnyVTC6o
What is it DG, is our tugboat captain afraid of water...
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Posted on: 4:54 pm on Mar. 12, 2012
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