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Black Jaques Chirac
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I am talking about airline flying in Boeings and Airbus.
Not about flying a Cessna 172.
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Posted on: 4:28 am on July 29, 2005
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sanook269
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The A380-800 - Max cruising speed M 0.88.
Long range cruising speed M 0.85.
Boeing doesn't give a Maximum cruising speed for the 747-400. On their web site they list the "typical" cruising speed at 35,000 feet to be, 0.855 of Mach.
I've heard other airline pilots say flying has lost its glamor for the reason that in a "fly-by-wire" airliner they are really nothing more than computer operators. They have no direct control of the aircraft. Even when they "take control" they are telling a computer to do something that the computer then does. The controls do not react "directly" to the pilot. The pilot inputs the information, by punching it in or turning the yoke, and the computer actually operates the control surfaces. I would imagine it get pretty boring.
Today the planes even land themselves. I found that a bit scary, but I've been told that when you consider most accidents are the result of pilot error, it is safer to let the computer land the plane. So, when you have a smooth landing it was probably the computer flying the plane. When you have a bumpy landing, the pilot was probably landing the plane, as he is required to do once out of xx number of flights.
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Posted on: 4:38 pm on July 29, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from sanook269 on 3:50 pm on July 29, 2005
The A380-800 - Max cruising speed M 0.88.
Long range cruising speed M 0.85.
Boeing doesn't give a Maximum cruising speed for the 747-400. On their web site they list the "typical" cruising speed at 35,000 feet to be, 0.855 of Mach.
I've heard other airline pilots say flying has lost its glamor for the reason that in a "fly-by-wire" airliner they are really nothing more than computer operators. They have no direct control of the aircraft. Even when they "take control" they are telling a computer to do something that the computer then does. The controls do not react "directly" to the pilot. The pilot inputs the information, by punching it in or turning the yoke, and the computer actually operates the control surfaces. I would imagine it get pretty boring.
Today the planes even land themselves. I found that a bit scary, but I've been told that when you consider most accidents are the result of pilot error, it is safer to let the computer land the plane. So, when you have a smooth landing it was probably the computer flying the plane. When you have a bumpy landing, the pilot was probably landing the plane, as he is required to do once out of xx number of flights.
Airbus planes are fly-by-wire all the time. Boeing planes are fly-by-stick, but can be put in automatic mode for a particular maneuver.
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Posted on: 5:22 pm on July 29, 2005
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from Black Jaques Chirac on 4:40 pm on July 29, 2005
I am talking about airline flying in Boeings and Airbus.
Funny, so was I, mr. Poopy-pants.
I can't stand Cessnas, or any of these smallish toy planes.
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Posted on: 2:21 am on July 30, 2005
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sanook269
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Quote: from Mr Alan on 5:34 am on July 30, 2005
Airbus planes are fly-by-wire all the time. Boeing planes are fly-by-stick, but can be put in automatic mode for a particular maneuver.
That is not my understanding of the term.
From Boeing's web site:
"The flight crew transmits control and maneuvering commands through electrical wires, augmented by computers, directly to hydraulic actuators for the elevators, rudder, ailerons and other control surfaces. This three-axis "fly-by-wire" flight control system saves weight, simplifies factory assembly compared to conventional mechanical systems relying on steel cables, and requires fewer spares and less maintenance in airline service."
Note the phrase...."augmented by computers,".............
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Posted on: 4:02 am on July 30, 2005
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Mr Alan
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Quote: from sanook269 on 3:14 am on July 30, 2005
That is not my understanding of the term.
From Boeing's web site:
"The flight crew transmits control and maneuvering commands through electrical wires, augmented by computers, directly to hydraulic actuators for the elevators, rudder, ailerons and other control surfaces. This three-axis "fly-by-wire" flight control system saves weight, simplifies factory assembly compared to conventional mechanical systems relying on steel cables, and requires fewer spares and less maintenance in airline service."
Note the phrase...."augmented by computers,".............
The 777 is fly-by-wire, but the 747 and other Boeing models are fly-by-stick.
Also, there is a difference between Boeing 777 and Airbus fly-by-wire:
“Boeing and Airbus differ in their FBW philosophies. In Airbus aircraft, the computer always retains ultimate control and will not permit the pilot to fly outside the airplane's normal flight envelope. In a Boeing 777, the pilot can override the system, allowing the plane to be flown outside this envelope in emergencies. The pattern started by Airbus A320 has been continued with the Airbus family and every new Boeing design since the Boeing 777.”
Another interesting article:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/boe202.shtml
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Posted on: 7:43 am on July 30, 2005
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Black Jaques Chirac
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 8:33 am on July 30, 2005
Quote: from Black Jaques Chirac on 4:40 pm on July 29, 2005
I am talking about airline flying in Boeings and Airbus.
Funny, so was I, mr. Poopy-pants.
I can't stand Cessnas, or any of these smallish toy planes.
Daffney-Duck,
You are so much the BULL-SHIT man. Always the bullshit.
That is why you are in Thailand the Thais are too polite to call you a bullshitter to you face!
Quote: from Oz on 9:55 am on July 30, 2005
http://citationx.cessna.com/
Daffney, you should stick to subjects you know something about, oh that wouldn't be to many now, would it?
Citation X, the only way to travel!
I will tell you what Daffney-Duck knows = f*** ALL !
Anyway I thought Daffney was a Filipino Trans-Sexual?
Maybe it is ? You never know with so much bullshit.
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Posted on: 9:16 am on July 30, 2005
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sanook269
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The Boeing 747-400 is fly-by-wire,
http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/7474sec1.pdf
The article you referenced Mr. Alan is, indeed, very interesting. I enjoyed reading the differences in each companies' fly-by-wire philosophy. Thank you.
Over the years I have noticed that just because someone is labeled a "journalist" that doesn't mean they really know anything about what they are writing about.
From time to time on the History Channel they run a program on the history of the 747, in which they claim the landing gear was derived from the B-52 landing gear design and, therefore, they had to get permission from the Defense Dept. to use it on the 747. Bullfeathers!
I have personally talked to the head of Boeing 747 production and when I mentioned that, he went into a long, detailed explanation of the design and how it wasn't anything at all similar to the B-52 landing gear design.
Then there was the night I was watching a program on the history of the Corvette and the Mustang, hardly a proper comparison, and they claimed the first Corvette was a small block V-6. HA! The first Corvette was a standard Chevy Straight 6 with a 2 speed automatic transmission. GM didn't make a V-6 until, what, the '60s or '70s? And so on, and so on, and so on...........
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Posted on: 1:53 pm on July 30, 2005
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Hermanolobo
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Never trust the French with a crash investigation !
Ask the buggers about the missing spacers on the port undercarriage wheels of Concorde? Or why Concorde was well overweight and took off with the wind instead of against it ! Not standard practice that !
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Posted on: 11:49 am on Aug. 7, 2005
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