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China Sailor
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My Uncle Vito probably wishes he thought of this one:
The 6,707-word terms and conditions document on the AT&T Web site says: "Substantial charges may be incurred if phone is taken out of the U.S. even if no services are intentionally used."
Twenty words out of a 6,707 word document, talk about scams...
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Posted on: 6:36 am on Sep. 11, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from IBFarang on 3:42 pm on Sep. 11, 2007
I simply doubt the key to the price cut was inventory as opposed to a move to increase sales/ market share.
Fair enough.
Quote: from IBFarang on 3:42 pm on Sep. 11, 2007
As for crap…. Well beauty is in the eye of the beholder one mans crap is another mans black gold.
khrup!
Quote: from Abrak on 3:59 pm on Sep. 11, 2007
Actually she got harangued because she was a) selling on a dating site and b) overcharging.... US$399 for the phone US$100 for unlocking and she was trying to sell for over US$700...
So she pulled her advert...
Well, the price is in keeping with what most shps are charging for a fully unlocked iPhone, but I can see how the dating site part might be objectonable...
The page is a guy's, by the way, not a girls'.
As for China Sailor - sounds to me like his trend of 'lashing out' when he got his booty slapped continues, albeit providing quite amusing content, admittedly.
Quote: from China Sailor on 4:12 pm on Sep. 11, 2007
but I believe that his attacks on LY were rooted in the fact that LY could easily pull more girls than the Duck even though LY is short and fat whilst the Duck is (in his mind) a model of fitness.
OMG, I nearly pee'd on myself when I read that portion - I mean, yeah, *if* I felt that my personal value is judged by sexual performance, and *if* such performance were qualified by quantity and not quality, and *if* I felt that such a juvenile yardstick is the bar by which to judge, I still doubt very much that I would feel even remotely concerned in an environment where Quasimodo-like individuals can get regularly laid by all kinds of girls for $20 or less. But, hey, cute try - as I suggested by PM, "Don't quite your day job" (and that includes 'captain of the debate team' as well)
Back to the topic at hand -- "Twenty words out of a 6,707 word document, talk about scams... " -- and this is different to ANY other user agreement, exactly how?
The whole concept of a domestic device, like a mobile phone, incurring charges when used abroad is not something that requires a rocket science degree (albeit, in all fairness, I was surprised how many of my clients took their phone on trips, and ended up being surprised at $800 phone bills - which is yet another reason why the phone needs to be unlocked)
I'll know this weekend how well it unlocks, and once past the next firmware upgrades, will know how stable the unlocks are.
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Posted on: 10:15 am on Sep. 11, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Counterfeit iPhones:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/14854/
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a7K_I.ifMcEA&refer=news
IPhone Knockoffs Steal Sales as Apple Delays in Asia (Update1)
By John Liu and Chinmei Sung
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- At the end of an alley in Taiwan's most violent city, a black Mercedes-Benz sedan blocks a sliding- glass door that opens only from within. Inside, technophiles can buy iPhone knockoffs for two-thirds the legitimate price.
With a touch-screen and Apple Inc.'s logo on the back, the ``iClones'' look just like the real thing. Apple won't offer iPhones -- which combine a phone, music and video player with wireless Internet -- in Asia until 2008. The owner of the shop in Sanchung, near Taipei, says he began selling ``aifungs'' in December, six months before the iPhone went on sale in the U.S.
``We can't ignore iPhone because it's so hot,'' says Ben, who spoke on condition he be identified only by his first name because selling pirated phones is illegal.
The clones show how fast Asian counterfeiters move. Ben says his company designed the fakes from pictures posted on the Internet before Apple Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs unveiled the iPhone in January. Knockoffs cost the global economy $650 billion annually, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce estimates. Apple spokeswoman Jennifer Bowcock wouldn't discuss how much the company loses as a result of phony products.
``The longer Apple delays, the more the pirates can rip the company off,'' says Chialin Lu, an analyst at Yuanta Core Pacific Securities Co. in Taipei.
Jobs hasn't explained the delay. Kevin Chang, an analyst at JPMorgan Chase & Co., says carriers need time to modify their networks for the iPhone's technology.
Shenzhen Factory
Cupertino, California-based Apple, which said yesterday it sold its millionth iPhone, intends to fight back.
``We are committed to pursuing counterfeiters and others who steal from us and deceive our customers,'' Bowcock says. On its Web site, Apple asks consumers to report fake hardware to counterfeit@apple.com.
The knockoff phones are produced in batches of 1,000 at a factory in Shenzhen, China, across the border from Hong Kong, says Ben, 26. He advertises his phones on the Internet and sells them for NT$8,900 ($270). On Sept. 5, Jobs cut the price of the top iPhone to $399, a $200 reduction.
``The guts aren't hard,'' Ben says. ``The hard part is the design and the exterior.''
He says his operation has sold more than 10,000 clones in China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia and the U.S.
In Shanghai, the knockoffs are kept under the counter of a cramped market stall on the sixth floor of a trash-strewn building near the railway station.
`Chinese iPhone'
Ni, who spoke on condition he be identified only by his surname, says he started selling the knockoffs after reading a newspaper story on the iPhone hype.
The phones go for 1,000 yuan ($133), and Ni says most of his sales are made over the Internet. He refused to identify his supplier, saying, ``That's a trade secret.''
``What I'm selling is a Chinese iPhone,'' says Ni, 48. ``It's not a fake iPhone. It works perfectly fine.''
Shenzhen and the surrounding Pearl River Delta is the largest handset-making region in China.
Pirates buy components from local companies, then assemble the clones, says Yang Yuxing, an analyst at Beijing-based researcher BDA China Ltd. As many as 400 factories can be hired to do the work, he says.
Apple isn't the only victim. Fakes come with labels such as ``Nokian,'' imitating the brand of Nokia Oyj, the world's biggest mobile phone maker, and ``Snog Ericsson,'' a corruption of Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications Ltd.'s trademark, says Neil Mawston, a London-based analyst for Strategy Analytics Ltd.
Protecting Secrets
``By some accounts, they may make up 5 percent to 10 percent of total volumes this year,'' he said in an e-mail.
Legitimate manufacturers such as Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., the world's largest contract maker of electronics, including iPhones, say they don't participate in the illicit trade.
``Protecting the designs and intellectual property of our clients is one of the most important things we do,'' says Edmund Ding, a Hon Hai spokesman, when asked if parts are sold to other factories. ``If we find out any of our employees is doing that, we will fire them immediately.''
Still, designs can be copied so quickly that South Korea's Samsung Electronics Co., Asia's biggest handset maker, decided to reveal only the front of its new music and video phone at the Hong Kong trade show last year. Seoul-based LG Electronics Inc. showed customers its new handset behind closed doors.
In August, the U.S. asked the World Trade Organization to declare that China's laws to safeguard patents and copyrights failed to meet international standards.
In Sanchung, Ben's clones carry a notice in fractured English that reads: ``Waring. It will break the law without authorized by Apple Inc., if you use `iPhone' logo on any electronic pruducts.''
While the knockoffs resemble iPhones, they don't use Apple software. Ben says his phones have the advantage of working on any network, while iPhones connect only to AT&T Inc.'s system.
``It's the exterior we are imitating,'' Ben says. ``If customers want functions, we can offer more and much better functions than the real phone.''
To contact the reporters on this story: John Liu in Shanghai at jliu42@bloomberg.net Chinmei Sung in Taipei at csung4@bloomberg.net
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Posted on: 12:01 pm on Sep. 11, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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iPhone FREE unlock now available.
Just code, not pretty, but here are full instructions:
http://iphone.unlock.no
Just a matter of a few days to a week until someone releases a nice, pretty, clean utility to do the same for Mac and Windows. Of course, the lithmus test will be to see if it survives the upcoming software update...
I guess I'll try one phone with software unlock, and one with hardware unlock, and see which one survives a firmware update later this month.
Good developments!
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Posted on: 12:52 am on Sep. 12, 2007
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jingjo
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Hey DD did Your Great Grand Daddy sell Snake Oil
out of a Wagon?
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Posted on: 3:16 am on Sep. 12, 2007
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caronte
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Went to MBK yesterday and saw Iphone at 34,000 baht!
Freaks....not even sure they were original ones.
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Posted on: 8:33 pm on Sep. 12, 2007
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IBFarang
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 1:21 pm on Sep. 7, 2007
iSuppli is a group known to be notorious for pulling numbers out of their ass. I would not take their numbers too seriously - they love to see themselves talk.
You ain't kidding - Even though you did use the "ipod outsells all others in July" (which came from isupply) reference in the "New Apple / iPod / Mac things..." thread
Quote: from DaffyDuck on 9:16 pm on Sep. 5, 2007
What were they thinking? Oh, I don't know, judging by the stock price, and the fact that the iPhone was the best selling smartphone so far (July Numbers), seems to me they knew what they were doing...
Poor old isupply is not only backtracking but it turns out Blackberry sold more than twice the number of smart phones as iphone in July. Going from first to being outsold by double the count is quite the clarification.
Started with this link and
Ended up here
Yea gotta’ give Apple some credit if you can still put any faith in isupply numbers at all it does appear that the iphone might have outsold any one individual model of smart phone for July.
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Posted on: 9:49 pm on Sep. 12, 2007
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IBFarang
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Seems to be a lot of “Thousand dollar iphone bill” articles popping up. On the one hand it is hard to feel sorry for most of these folks on the other hand it’s not like they have many options. AT&T offers Blackberry users a flat rate international roaming feature that was not originally offered for iphone folks.
In many cases AT&T initially offering to deduct a pittance of the total but now seems to be stepping up to the plate and offering to waive most or even all of the charges. I would venture to guess that a flat rate “Blackberry type” plan is in the works (if not now on offer) ?
Another customer who seemed to have his head on straight said he was aware of the international roaming charges and therefore he made sure he used free Wi-Fi service when using his iphone to access the internet – his results still a $300 “data transfer charge”. AT&T later refunded the charge saying their “representative was in error” – The explanation of the charge might have been the result of their representatives error but that still don’t explain how it ended up on his bill in the first place.
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Posted on: 10:17 pm on Sep. 12, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from IBFarang on 12:11 pm on Sep. 13, 2007
Seems to be a lot of “Thousand dollar iphone bill” articles popping up. On the one hand it is hard to feel sorry for most of these folks on the other hand it’s not like they have many options. AT&T offers Blackberry users a flat rate international roaming feature that was not originally offered for iphone folks.
AT&T offers an international data roaming plan, and has been offering it since Day One, which is the same as the Blackberry plan -- it is capped at 20 megabytes per month, and runs $25 for a month. Additional usage is billled at 4 cents a KILOBYTE.
This works for the Blackberry, as it does not use a constant stream of data, but only uses it when requested. Hence, you can manage your data.
The iPhone, due to the way it communicates, constantly communicates (if you run email, etc...), and can easily exceed 80 megaytes a day - do the math, as at 4cents a kilobyte, a megabyte can cost you a bundle.
The iPhone *can* of course be set into 'Airplane' mode, which will prevent any unwanted connections through EDGE or any other means.
It is also possible to DEACTIVATE roaming via EDGE completely, via a call to AT&T customer service, and having the setting on your account changed - that eliminates this problem completely.
At the end of the day, the press is having the usual field day documenting people as 'victims' that should have known better.
Either way, this may be academic, as a free SIM unlock solution has been existing since yesterday, and will probably be beautified in the next day or two (resulting in a single button unlock).
Lastly, AT&T is a company of greedy motherf***ers, who quite commonly make 'errors' on the phone bills (always in their favor, oddly). The same applies as with all bills -- you must scrutinize all bills for your own good, regardless who they come from.
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Posted on: 11:40 pm on Sep. 12, 2007
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