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Max Bialystock
When you get a new computer. Until then, wait. There's no rush.


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Posted on: 7:47 pm on Feb. 1, 2007
Sarge

Quote: from DaffyDuck on 3:58 pm on Jan. 24, 2007
When should you upgrade to Vista?

Never! as far as I'm concerned.


Sarge


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Posted on: 1:15 am on Feb. 2, 2007
Abrak
I read somewhere that vista searches your hard drive for non-copyright material such as mp3s and videos. Is this correct? If it is I dont think the product will find much of a market....


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Posted on: 7:16 pm on Feb. 5, 2007
DaffyDuck
That's a myth, probably based on the claim that Vista enforces DRM stronger.

That doesn't mean it will snoop on your drive for copyrighted materials - if it did, the market for Vista would be zero.


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Posted on: 8:07 pm on Feb. 5, 2007
cocoroso
The PC guys of my company have been testing Vista to see if it is compatible with our E-commerce, business applications, and so on.

So far, we have found many issues such as business application installation failure so avoid installing Vista until MS solves the issues.


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Posted on: 11:14 pm on Feb. 8, 2007
Skip
Here's yet another Tech writer weighing in to savage Vista. Obviously after running it long enough to loath it. No idea how long that loathing took, in this case.

But we do know this- Vista was under development for five years. Could someone point me to a resource detailing the man-hours and costs involved over that period?

It's a shame the suits over at Windoze didn't swallow their pride and go knocking on Apple's door to subcontract out this momentously bland pile of code. They could have had a great vacation and given the world something worthwhile in the process....

Dim Vista
Stephen Manes 02.26.07
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html

Windows Vista: more than five years in the making, more than 50 million lines of code. The result? A vista slightly more inspiring than the one over the town dump. The new slogan is: "The 'Wow' Starts Now," and Microsoft touts new features, many filched shamelessly from Apple's Macintosh. But as with every previous version, there's no wow here, not even in ironic quotes. Vista is at best mildly annoying and at worst makes you want to rush to Redmond, Wash. and rip somebody's liver out.

Vista is a fading theme park with a few new rides, lots of patched-up old ones and bored kids in desperate need of adult supervision running things.
If I can find plenty of problems in a matter of hours, why can't Microsoft? Most likely answer: It did--and it doesn't care.

Example: If malware somehow gets into your machine, Windows Firewall will not stop it from making outbound Internet connections to do its evil deeds. If you turn off that firewall in favor of a better one, the Windows Firewall control panel will admonish: "Your computer is not protected; turn on Windows Firewall." But the Windows Security Center will correctly tell you that a firewall is on and that you shouldn't run two at a time. Call it convistancy.

Gaffes like this make you wonder if security really is improved as much as Microsoft claims. You'll still have to add your own antivirus software, a new Vista-ready version at that. And Vista's irritating and repeated warnings about possible security breaches don't always mean what they say and are usually irrelevant. You'll take them as seriously as the boy who cried wolf, making them useless as defensive tools.

As usual, things Microsoft was touting last time have mysteriously gone away in favor of putative new wonders. Windows XP's heralded "task-based interface" often let you perform actions by picking them from a list. Now many of those actions have disappeared--except where they haven't.

Likewise, Control Panel options have been totally rejiggered yet again for no apparent reason. You can still use the Classic panel view that's been available since time immemorial, but several items have been confusingly renamed out of sheer perversity.

The new desktop search features are a mess, thanks in part to inscrutable indexing defaults and options. A "quick search" panel at the bottom of the Start menu lets you find results whether in a file's name or its contents. But on one machine--oddly, the fastest I tested--it was far, far slower than using Start's regular search option. Though that option finds folders like Accessories, quick search doesn't always. And if you click away to do something else while you wait for answers, Vista abandons the "quick search" and makes you start over.

Windows Mail is a mild reworking of Outlook Express whose big new feature is a spam filter that in my tests flagged nonspam as spam and vice versa an unacceptable 10% of the time. The bare-bones word processor WordPad used to be able to open Microsoft Word files. No more. What possible rationale could there be for "fixing" that, except to force users to shell out for the real thing?

Potentially exciting improvements keep coming up short. The speech recognition system's clever design lets you control the computer via voice and dictate into programs like Word. It did pretty well at understanding me even when I used a less than optimal built-in microphone instead of a headset. But my enthusiasm turned to dust when the software for correcting inevitable mistakes locked up repeatedly--even when it understood what I was saying.

Many touted improvements, like the Web browser and media player, have been available for XP for months. One minor winner is Vista-only: file lists that update their contents automatically. You no longer have to hit View and Refresh to see files added since you last opened the list window. Macs, of course, have done this for years.

The new Mac-like ability to show thumbnails of documents and running programs is cute, but it doesn't always work--typical of a level of fit and finish that would be unacceptable from a cut-rate tailor. Only in Windowsland will you find howlers like a Safely Remove Hardware button for memory card readers that happen to be hardwired into your computer.

Still with us: program crashes, followed by the machine's refusal to shut down until you lean on the power button awhile. Thereafter you may be subjected to ugly white-on-black text from CHKDSK, a DOS-era program that issues baffling new reports like "44 reparse records processed."

Should you upgrade your current machine? Are you nuts? Upgrading is almost always a royal pain. Many older boxes are too wimpy for Vista, and a "Vista-ready" unit Microsoft upgraded for me could see my wireless network but not connect to it. The diagnostics helpfully reported "Wireless association failed due to an unknown reason" and suggested I consult my "network administrator"--me. Yet I've connected dozens of things to that network, including other Vista machines, a PlayStation 3 and Microsoft's own Xbox 360.

My recommendation: Don't even consider updating an old machine to Vista, period. And unless you absolutely must, don't buy a new one with Vista until the inevitable Service Pack 1 (a.k.a. Festival o' Fixes) arrives to combat horrors as yet unknown.

I suggested to one Windows product manager that if the company were truly serious about security, Vista might offer a simple way to delete files securely and eliminate all traces of identity and passwords so you could safely pass the machine on or sell it years from now. His reply: "Does any other operating system do that?" That tells you all you need to know about Microsoft.
The real slogan: "No innovation here."

As Bill Gates winds down his roles at Microsoft, Windows Vista may be the chief software architect's swan song. It's a shame his legacy is something so utterly unimaginative, internally discordant and woefully out of tune.


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Posted on: 10:05 am on Feb. 12, 2007
Skip
Now here is something Vista users will want to be aware of...

Vista Hands On #1: What you need to know about product keys


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Posted on: 11:13 am on Feb. 12, 2007
Skip
Here's a great cutting-edge-GUI Linux video. Behold Beryl running on Ubuntu 6.10 here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZD7QraljRfM

As visual metaphor, it's the incremental advances like these that will see Vista at the back of the OS pack by years' end.

PS- Speaking of metaphors.... Hello...I'm a PC; I'm a Mac; I'm Linux


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Posted on: 11:34 am on Feb. 12, 2007
DaffyDuck

Quote: from Skip on 12:29 am on Feb. 13, 2007

It's a shame the suits over at Windoze didn't swallow their pride and go knocking on Apple's door to subcontract out this momentously bland pile of code.
...and why would Apple even consider that?

What MS should have done is take one of the Linux' as the kernel, and build an abstraction layer on top of it, able to run Windows apps, and a KDE theme that looks like Windows.

Time to build may have been equally 2-5 years, but they would now have a solid operating system. Of course, this makes so much sense, it will never happen.


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Posted on: 3:49 pm on Feb. 12, 2007
Sarge
The fact is that MS isn’t really that interested in innovation, nor in making products that meet their customers’ needs.They have the market pretty much sawn up and the overriding strategy is to grow the bottom line profit, keep the status quo and fend off (minor) competitors. MS once labeled Linux “cancer” for their effrontery to challenge them in the server enterprise market. MS has grown bloated, self centred, making them aloof from everybody else, they're totally unaware the wind is changing.

It’s a normal life cycle; you born, grow so big and large only to find yourself unable/unwilling to change course. That ultimately will be your downfall. The seeds of that scenario are already firmly planted but both Steven B. & William G. seem blind to that. The really sad part of their demise is the loss of jobs for thousands of worldwide employees, who (especially in underdeveloped/developing countries, like Thailand, Malaysia, Australia etc…) pride themselves of being part of a huge multinational company. Their livelihood will be at risk, while the two men responsible for that will be sitting pretty on billions of dollars.

Whoever said life is fair?


Sarge


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Posted on: 5:38 pm on Feb. 12, 2007
     

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