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bkkz
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oh Daffy has loads of it, and so do other members.
The fascinating thing about iPhone is not the phone part, it's the future of computers.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:08 am on Dec. 10, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from quack quack on 1:52 pm on Dec. 10, 2007
Have not been able to fathom what's so wonderful about the IPhone. Is it some sort of status symbol, or something? Maybe Daffy Duck can enlighten me.
Do have some Apple stock, so welcome any IPhone success, but is it really more than just a fad?
a) It's a status symbol, for those who don't know any better.
b) It's the best damn phone I ever owned, because it does what it does so very, very well.
c) You need to own and use one to understand it.
d) As BK said, it's the future of computers. It's not just what it is right now, it's what it continues becoming, because of it's evolving design.
There'll always be those sad souls who will provide you a shopping list of features that it lacks, and how much better their Nokia / Windows Mobile / Motorola phone is - then again, these are the same guys who barely use that cacophony of features, or who quietly downplay their phone continuously crashing, or what have you.
In the end, like all things from the Jobs Era of Apple, you need to touch it, and use it, to appreciate it.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 12:29 am on Dec. 10, 2007
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IBFarang
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 3:44 pm on Dec. 10, 2007
...you need to touch it, and use it, to appreciate it.
Hey, that’s what I tell the ladies.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:23 am on Dec. 10, 2007
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China Sailor
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Quote: from bkkz on 4:23 pm on Dec. 10, 2007
...The fascinating thing about iPhone is not the phone part, it's the future of computers.
BK,
If you are speaking only of the technology you are 100% correct, but everyone is currently going that way.
If you are talking about side-deals to allow technology companies to force you into a particular service provider, it is a sad thought to contemplate.
I was talking to a client (owner of a global technology service firm) about his iPhone last week and we both agreed that Apple made a big mistake in tying the iPhone to a particular service-provider. This is going a continuing headache for Apple.
Now if Jobs had allowed the phone to be sold unlocked (albiet at a higher price) he could have sold more iPhones than Mc Donalds has sold Big Macs...
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 5:13 am on Dec. 10, 2007
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bkkz
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CS, I definitely agree with the idea of having the iPhone unlocked, why would I want to be forced to use a particular provider? Well, it has be unlocked if it is to work here in Thailand anyway.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 6:48 am on Dec. 10, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from China Sailor on 8:28 pm on Dec. 10, 2007
and we both agreed that Apple made a big mistake in tying the iPhone to a particular service-provider. This is going a continuing headache for Apple.
Now if Jobs had allowed the phone to be sold unlocked (albiet at a higher price) he could have sold more iPhones than Mc Donalds has sold Big Macs...
Yeah, most armchair CEOs tend to say the same thing -- most armchair CEOs also would be quite incapable of mirroring Apple's success, or Steve Jobs' savvy.
Jobs has done more than throw boxes into the open market, or release 'just another phone' - what he has done is started the process of deconstructing the mobile provider infrastructure and common business model.
Not so long ago, mobile manufacturers had to provide special deals to carriers to be carried by them, and no mobile carrier would even dream of sharing percentages of their mobile revenues with a handset manufacturer - yet, Apple has not only managed to do so, but extend that model to European providers (and tries to do the same with Asian providers).
The key was to break the hegemony of mobile carriers, which Apple has successfully done -- and that strategy is far from having run its course (Steve Jobs always has 3-5 year goals planned out - which is why he so good at what he does).
Those advocating the old "He should have sold it unlocked, and he would have sold more", generally can't see past a month, or possibly a season in advance - and yes, if he just sold the unlocked boxes, chances are Apple would have done really well for a quarter or two, but hardly would be achieving what it aims to 3-5 years from now. Short-sightedness is a trademark of armchair CEOs and pundits.
EDIT IN:...and then, of course, there's the neanderthals who are satisfied with a smoky firepit, some blankets, or maybe a couple of cans and string... that's a whole different demographic...
Lastly, regarding the unlocks - I'm in the same boat (I prefer my phone unlocked), and there are several options to achieve that -- albeit as firmware releases move forward, they will be less and less unlockable (culminating in whatever is being released after the February SBK release, that will most likely end up being close to unlockable - at which point, middle of next year, the Asian iPhone will go on sale, and there will most likely be unlocked versions available.)
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:10 am on Dec. 10, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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The Asian version of the iPhone will be released middle of 2008, and will be a hardware update to the existing reference model -- it will certainly include 3G, as well as the necessary radio to support the Japanese market. The camera will most certainly sport a better resolution, support video capture, and maybe GPS capabilities *may* be included. Honestly, I'm less concerned about GPS capabilities, but some of the newer chipsets include a GPS, so it seems a like a logical bone to throw in.
One reason beyond the obvious (supporting the Japanese market), is to simply provide a status update to the grey market users in Asia to upgrade to a 'new' model 
Everything points towards a locked model - no problem with the monopolistic carriers in Japan, where docomo will most likely carry it; ditto in Korea (where the main carrier wants it) - though the main Chinese carrier has rebuffed Apple, rejecting (initially) Apple's business model, and being unwilling to share carrier revenue (unwillingness to pay for something, from a Chinese carrier?? Say it ain't so!!).
China may be the market to either break the carrier lock, or it may be the market that Apple will give a cold shoulder to. I am going to be very interested in how Apple handles the Chinese market, mostly because many, if not most, US business entities have absolutely no clue to deal with China. It will be interesting to see how Steve Jobs works that area.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:20 am on Dec. 10, 2007
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Mel Gibson
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Apple's rot nearly as fast as banana's.
PersonallyI'm happy that my phone makes a sound when someonewants to talk with me and I can telephone others. For more than that Iuse my Windows based PC,and a small notebook.
Mel.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:07 pm on Dec. 10, 2007
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China Sailor
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Damn Duck,
The slightest criticism against Apple and you jump on the soapbox. It is real funny to see you 'tap-dance' to justify a monopolistic and anti-consumer policy.
Why don't you quit being such a Apple geek and look at the bigger picture. In the long run (being the we are a global community) the consumer will not want to be locked into one provider. When they move or travel they will want the freedom to change to a local provider without threats against their warranty rights.
Another issue is the rising use of pre-paid SIM cards. Fewer people are going the contract way and are instead using pre-paid accounts to better manage their mobile costs.
Bottom line, locking someone into a contract is not the best way to sell an expensive phone (particularly since they may already be in a contract).
The thing I would like to see is a dual-SIM card phone. Whilst there are adapters and devices you can use to allow you to use two SIM cards, I would like to see an out-of-the-box solution from one of the major manufacturers.
Why this has not happened is that the TelCos make too much money on 'roaming charges' and have discouraged the manufacturers from marketing multi-sim phones.
So if Mr. Jobs is the 'great warrior out to break the evil TelCos' then why doesn't he provide this type of innovation. If he did I suspect that businessmen and travelers beat a path to his door.
That is except maybe those Neanderthals like you Duck, who can only deal with one SIM card at a time...
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:16 am on Dec. 11, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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You know, you really should stick to the field you understand (whatever that may be), but leave anything requiring a bigger picture vision alone.
It's kind of embarrassing, otherwise.
As I said, you need to be able to look a little beyond the immediate, knee-jerk, "sell as many boxes as possible" mentality. All you are proposing is 'do the same thing all the other manufacturers are doing".
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:02 am on Dec. 11, 2007
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