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DaffyDuck
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Oh, good point - so, essentially, yet another layer of idiots to deal with, then?
My earlier strategic prediction, on how Apple possibly is handling this, stands - it'll just finally come together via two-pronged pressure.
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Posted on: 12:10 pm on June 27, 2008
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erikE
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 12:03 am on June 28, 2008
Oh, right, actually clicking on a link ('Enterprise Integration') and reading up on what you incorrectly claim, would actually require the kind of effort you would find yourself unable to make:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/integration.html
You seem to have a shortage of common sense, in general, as it is.
A nicely done web page with colourful pictures. And it had to be to cover the fact that it's not covering the issues I pointed out.
Have you actually read the attached articles on this page you attached, or did you (as I suspect) just look at the pretty pictures?
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Posted on: 12:53 pm on June 27, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from erikE on 3:18 am on June 28, 2008
Well, ErikE, you've now managed to outlive your welcome, and seeing as how you just drone on with troll-like fervor, I figured it's time for you to snpark, to go playing outside, where there's plenty of pretty real-estate ads.
You claim you're bored? No, what you are, is boring.
Buh-Bye
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:22 pm on June 27, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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I'm wondering if ErikE works either in the Stock Analyst sector, or for Verizon:
Verizon: iPhone success estimates "conspiracy"
Estimates that the iPhone will become a widely accepted device are evidence of a bias from those who expect Apple to succeed, Verizon chief Ivan Seidenberg tells the Financial Times in an interview. The executive behind the carrier rebuffs notions that iPhone 3G's up-front price cut to $200 will translate to much larger sales and claims Apple's currently small total marketshare as evidence. Apple is a newcomer that has to prove itself, according to the Verizon head, who also suggests that Verizon itself can be disruptive in a shift to mobile devices from computers.
"There goes the conspiracy again," Seidenberg says. "You're declaring them a winner before they've earned it on the field."
He further criticizes Apple co-founder Steve Jobs, saying the luminary doesn't have absolute control of innovation and that he "eventually will get old," giving virtually any company better chances once Jobs no longer exercises a level of creative control at his firm. Seidenberg nonetheless says that Apple is a "great company" outside of its current presence in the phone industry.
While claiming to be unconcerned, critics have charged Verizon with waging a primarily defensive campaign against the iPhone after turning down an opportunity to carry the device in the US. The company has carried multiple touchscreen-focused phones in the months after the iPhone's original launch, including the LG Voyager and Samsung Glyde, and is commonly thought to have withheld its pricing for the just-shipped LG Dare handset until it could confirm iPhone 3G pricing and adjust if necessary.
The carrier is planning more aggressive moves to upset the iPhone and incumbent carrier AT&T in the future with a planned buyout of Alltel that gives it more subscribers as well as the impending release of the BlackBerry Thunder, Research in Motion's first touchscreen device.
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Posted on: 1:26 pm on June 27, 2008
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erikE
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 3:52 am on June 28, 2008
I'm wondering if ErikE works either in the Stock Analyst sector, or for Verizon:
Verizon: iPhone success estimates "conspiracy"
Estimates that the iPhone will become a widely accepted device are evidence of a bias from those who expect Apple to succeed, Verizon chief Ivan Seidenberg tells the Financial Times in an interview. The executive behind the carrier rebuffs notions that iPhone 3G's up-front price cut to $200 will translate to much larger sales and claims Apple's currently small total marketshare as evidence. Apple is a newcomer that has to prove itself, according to the Verizon head, who also suggests that Verizon itself can be disruptive in a shift to mobile devices from computers.
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OK, Daffy refuse to answer my questions. No he is into copying conspiracy theories from random web pages. Grown up man, that Daffy.
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Posted on: 3:07 pm on June 27, 2008
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S M E G M A
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I think this article from a few weeks back (June 7) in Newsweek gives an interesting view about the negotiations between Chinese operators and Apple.
DD I tend to believe things between China and Apple are probably more like described in this article.
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Apple Sets Iphone Customers Free
A big reason for slack iPhone sales in Europe, analysts say, is that users cannot pick their mobile-service carrier. Apple chooses for them.
Benjamin Sutherland
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 11:30 AM ET Jun 7, 2008
Some call it the "Jesus Phone" or the "Messiah Phone." Hype notwithstanding, sales of Apple's vaunted iPhone have been lackluster in Europe. Fewer than 350,000 of the 165 million mobile phones in Britain, France and Germany are iPhones, estimates Seattle-based consultancy M:Metrics. In April, Germany's T-Mobile slashed the price from €399 to just €99, and in Britain O2 and partner Carphone Warehouse knocked £100 off the price of its iPhones, to £169. Sales, though, have not been as strong as they have in the United States. Is Steve Jobs losing his touch? Not necessarily. Sleek, feature-packed iPhones cost more than most handsets.
The big explanation for slack sales, analysts say, is because iPhone users cannot pick their mobile-service carrier. Apple chooses for them and collects a cut of revenue. Apple has insisted that this setup works well, consumers like it and sales are good. But Apple's announcement last month that it was overhauling its "single carrier" business model suggests that the strategy isn't working.
Consumers in seven countries will soon have a choice of telecoms when Apple introduces the iPhone, says the company, probably later this year. Two telecoms will compete for iPhone users in Australia, and the device will also be introduced in the Dominican Republic, Egypt, India, Italy, Portugal and Switzerland. The telecoms involved—América Móvil, Bharti Airtel, Orange, Optus, SingTel, Swisscom, Telecom Italia and Vodafone—have not elaborated on the arrangements. A Vodafone spokeswoman in London, scanning PR guidelines, said: "For every question it reads 'Not allowed to comment'." Nor has Apple provided much elaboration.
Apple is changing tack, say analysts, because consumers are increasingly annoyed at being limited to one telecom, handset competition is getting fiercer and telecoms are less willing to share revenue. Having rolled out the iPhone in just six countries—the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Ireland and Austria, Apple is still tweaking the model. European consumers have created a huge black market for hackers who can "unlock" the iPhones, so they work on any network. Unlocked iPhones are sold illicitly in shops in Italy and other countries where Apple has not authorized iPhone use. Apple's "anticompetitive practice" of locking phones has damaged its reputation in Europe, says Stefano Cazzani of Studio Cazzani, a telecommunications consultancy in Milan. "People here, they want choice."
So do Asians. Neil Montefiore, CEO of Singapore telecom M1, says he recently discussed an iPhone deal with Apple and concluded that it wouldn't make sense. Introducing the current iPhone model to Singapore, an advanced market, would be "just ridiculous—no one would use it," he says. It doesn't help that the iPhone is slow by Asian standards; whereas Apple is expected to launch a faster "3G" model sometime this summer, Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson and others are coming out with competing 3.5G mobiles.
Apple's new openness may stem in part from a desire to succeed in the important China market. An estimated 600 million people in China will own a cell phone by the end of the year. Shaun Rein, head of China Market Research Group, an analyst firm in Shanghai, says Apple is choosing countries for dual-carrier arrangements based in part on what lessons those markets may provide for success in China. For example, in both Italy and China a high percentage of users prepay phone calls and talk less, which complicates the business of obtaining good money for iPhone usage and music and movie downloads. "China is the battleground," Rein says.
Apple's negotiations with China Mobile have been bumpy, says Edmund Hung, a telecoms analyst at Maverick China Research in Beijing. In the United States and European countries, Apple successfully pits market leaders against each other. The telecoms that won iPhone exclusivity—AT&T, O2, Orange and T-Mobile—now pay Apple a significant (and undisclosed) percentage of revenue from iPhone users. Hung says Apple "found out very quickly" China's telecoms would not pay nearly as much. China Mobile commands more than 70 percent of the market. Its sole competitor, China Unicom, is probably too small to ignite a serious bidding war for iPhone service.
Slow iPhone sales in Europe have emboldened China Mobile and other telecoms to drive a hard bargain with a weakened Apple, says Neal Mawson, a telecoms expert at Strategy Analytics, a market-research firm in Milton Keynes, England. Mawson says China Mobile has been "balking" at Apple's revenue-sharing proposals.
Apple is not abandoning exclusivity arrangements, which are expected to be rolled out in many countries this year. (Apple's U.S. contract with AT&T is expected to last four more years.) But Dan Moran, an editor at Macworld, an independent San-Francisco publication, says the company's new telecom strategy will likely increase iPhone revenue. It will also quiet critics who say Apple has exhibited an "its our way or the highway" approach to the iPhone, he says. And it may even help to quiet consumers who have accused Apple of selling "monopoly phones."
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Posted on: 3:51 pm on June 27, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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This seems similar to another highly speculative article:
http://www.247wallst.com/2008/06/apples-aapl-chi.html
Where the author assumes the only way Apple can get into China is by lowballing the phone, and adopting razor thin margins - which is not likely to happen.
Again, I will stick with my scenario - Apple will bide their time, until the huge number of iPhone subscribers sitting on China Mobile's network realize that version 2.0 firmware will render their phones useless, that there are no hacks, and that China Mobile drags their feet - at which point China Unicom may jump in and clamor for a first deal (hoping to snag China Mobile customers by doing so - which it will), quickly followed by China Mobile, hoping to stem customer defections.
It's a risky scenario, but one that will leave Apple in control, and one that is not unlike the kind of scenario that Apple often does attempt. Even if they dropped the revenue sharing scenario, there's still the subsidy issue, which is what China doesn't want to do either -- but Apple won't compromise on. You either share revenue, or you pay up front. So far, I see no exception that those two scenarios.
...and I believe the issue with China has little to do with carrier choice -- I have not noticed any carrier loyalty in Asia, by and large, and there's really only two carriers in China. Apple's playing a game of "Who Blinks First", and it won't be Apple.
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Posted on: 7:27 pm on June 27, 2008
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FIB
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Quote: from DaffyDuck on 9:53 am on June 28, 2008
Even if they dropped the revenue sharing scenario, there's still the subsidy issue
Not really an issue, from what I hear, for the same obvious reasons that this scheme is widely accepted everywhere, for any mobile phone brand: provide unsubsidized phones to prepaid customers and lock postpaid ones in overpriced contracts.
No, really, the issues are with the government at the moment.
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Posted on: 7:23 pm on June 28, 2008
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erikE
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OK, Daffy. I will show off some personal experiences with the 1 st gen iPhopne to back up my claims that you are a liar.
If you do not answer this, I just assume you concluded you are way off.
OK, I'm at Microsoft Vista. Apple has not got the fact that most iPhpone users do not have apple osx as their main plattform.
So:
1. Itunes in Vista is slow, slow, sow. Almost dead, and (almost) not useable. That guy who ported that piece of software, well... Enough said.
2. Synch: Same as 1. When the software at random chooses to re-synch (that is not synch, in my boook) all of your 14GB worth of music, it does not show a robust software. Wonder how this will be thought of in the enterprise...
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 8:00 pm on June 28, 2008
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FIB
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Quote: from erikE on 10:26 am on June 29, 2008
1. Itunes in Vista is slow, slow, sow. Almost dead, and (almost) not useable. That guy who ported that piece of software, well... Enough said.
2. Synch: Same as 1. When the software at random chooses to re-synch (that is not synch, in my boook) all of your 14GB worth of music, it does not show a robust software. Wonder how this will be thought of in the enterprise...
A member of my family is running iTunes on Vista, it's fast and it has remained so in the past 4 months it has been installed. There is no resync problems like the one you describe. So, I suspect that there is an issue with the installation you are talking about, or that the computer is not maintained properly. Make sure for example that the first vista service pack is installed. Vista original version was slow and crippled. With service pack 1, it's merely crippled.
I'm afraid that your example illustrates more the unreadiness of Vista or the difficulty for an average user to maintain a windows based computer. My advice: 'upgrade' to windows XP, or better, get a mac.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:04 am on June 29, 2008
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