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Wow, its like stepping into a time warp looking at the above posts! Great to see such considered posts.
Again, it seems we are trying put "Western Values" (I hate those words but they fit!) on people that probably don't even know the meaning of those 2 words. This is not reality. Commitment is the keyword, but now it starts to sounds like marriage.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 7:29 pm on April 26, 2004
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Chompoo
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A lot of the problems in this area arise from the fact that Western ethics (to which you probably adhere) and Thai ethics (to which your BG probably adheres) often diverge. An obvious case in point is the very different attitude towards truth-telling.
I don't claim to know the finer points of Thai ethics, and I doubt anyone on this board is really an expert. But, while you allude to it in your post, you gloss over that "ethics" for bargirls is very different from what you might hear from an ethics professor at a Thai university (if there are any).
Even in Thailand I don't believe it is ethical to totally misrepresent a business proposition (e.g. to offer an exclusive contract while surreptitiously offering that same service to others). It may be commonplace, but ethically it is still wrong.
It may be that a Thai ethicist would say, "Oh, you're talking about bargirls. Then all bets are off, don't trust them and get what you can as they will surely screw you." But that shows only his prejudice, which I cannot support. (Just as if he suggested I try to cheat an Indian supplier, since surely they would be trying to cheat me.)
We see many instances on this board where a guy is in a lather of indignation about something a girl has done; but you know that the girl will almost certainly feel that she hasn't put a foot wrong at all. This can work the other way as well, but then you're on Thai turf.
No, you are on Thai bargirl turf. And it is still valid to discuss the ethics, even if it is not practical to apply them (let alone insist on them). I'm not saying you should constantly whine about it, but if you just accept unethical behaviour then society degrades. Only by knowing and understanding the difference can we act appropriately (i.e. not stoop to the same level).
Whatever you think about Thai ethics in any particular, it's pretty futile judging individual Thais by any other standard. I think it follows that you when you make any kind of contract with a BG, you need to be clear (or at least try to be clear) about what SHE feels her obligations will be to you, because in practice that's the most you're gonna get.
BGs may be in a position where they are strongly encouraged (some might say forced) to act unethically to survive or prosper. That is unfortunate, but it doesn't validate their actions.
Of course, any BG is just as capable of cheating by her own standards as you are by yours. But I think that's the judgment you have to try to make before deciding she's a rip-off artist. It's not always easy to do this, but I've found that it often pays to suspend judgment and cut the girls a bit of slack.
That depends on what you mean by slack. You can certainly understand and accept their failings (as they do ours). If you insist on perfection in reality (especially when looking for a mate) then you will be lonely and bitter.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:38 pm on April 26, 2004
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Smegma
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Quote: from haam sup on 4:47 am on April 27, 2004
Oh, and hello! Seems like old times...
Good Lord!! It really seems like old times. The return of a few make-sense guys (though often wrong  ) to raise the level of the discussions and debates in the forum.
We have had an overabundance lately of trolls.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:01 am on April 27, 2004
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The Machine
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Being an inveterate liar myself I now understand why I like Thailand so much...
I fit in with the prevailing culture
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 3:52 am on April 27, 2004
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Vancouver Jay
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Machine, being smug about it is also the norm.
Keep on truckin'.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 7:04 am on April 27, 2004
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LiamOZ
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Gents,
Reviving this thread due to an offer from / for my regular BG of 7 tours.
Instead of paying the a dailly b500 barfine, she told me I can pay bar a once & for all b8,000. Bar management knows me well as a 'good customer' (FWIW), and I know she doesn't plan to leave bar for at least 3 of my future tours.
I guess I have barfined her around 35-40 times since 2004, and it has almost turned into a very pleasant 'tour-monagamous' arrangement. Great GFE from a girl who is calling me her BF (??), and has treated me well indeed. Any additional GFE cost has been voluntary on my part, small, and well worth it. She's upfront and doesn't spin me bullshit stories for money.
So next tour of approx 12 days, I figure I'll pay the b8,000.
Anyone done this? Any warnings or pitfalls from the experienced?
Thanks,
Liam
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:22 pm on Mar. 12, 2006
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Minder
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Well, I started this post and that was me circa 2003; madly in love with a BG from Rawhide in Soi Cowboy!!!
I have a Thai wife now but it's not her...I've posted elsewhere I lost that girl not to a better man but a better prospect. Good luck to her.
....read the thread from the beginning there is much wisdom in some of the old voices here...ABC, Haam Sup and the always genial Arcadius....
I never paid the perpetual barfine and unless it was good value on one trip I don't think I would....banking on the future in Thailand??.well, this thread shows for me there was no future in that. Thanks for the walk on memory lane LiamOz....Enjoy.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:26 pm on Mar. 12, 2006
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LiamOZ
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Thanks Minder,
Congratulations, you sound like you have a good relationship going.
As suggested I read the entire thread. I figure over two tours I would get my value (from a purely financial perspective), and not lose much over one tour. I wasn't planning to 'buy her out of bar' and I don't have the finances, time or inclination to 'successfully' sponsor her.
I can now see that paying a perpetual bar-fine could be a precursor to pressure to sponsor. Since, I am 'soft as shit' on the inside, I know I could fall for that eventually.
BTW, this girl is comparatively independent and almost has the resources to retire from her bar....6-9 months she will have built her house up country.
I guess she will need a new source of income to move there, or a perpetual bar-fine could be a last 'ATM' withdrawal. I wonder of we ever really know them. Still, she has been good, I like her personally, and I am a little 'smitten'. Who knows which way it would go?
I'll get back to you, and tell you how memory lane is.
Cheers,
Liam
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 3:57 pm on Mar. 13, 2006
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wittleus
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I also opted on this payment back in 2002. Was staying in BKK for 6 weeks, and because of many issues, did not want to chase around for that time. Wanted a particular Long Gun girl I knew to stay with me and the charge at that time was either 7000 or 8000 baht, can't really remember. However, the basic issue was it saved me significant money over the bar fine for the same period of time. I knew that on my departure, the girl was going back to work at the bar.
By the way, when I came back a few months later, the mamasan at LG remembered me and honored the "buyout". The second time around, situations had changed and I did not keep the girl for an extended period but it was nice to see that the agreement was honored.
The issue you might look at is if you buy the girl out and she returns to work in the bar during your absence is whether your agreement will be honored in the future. In my case, I paid my money, I had no receipt, and the agreement was between me and the mamasan at LG. She did sit down and explain how it worked to me and also asked me if I was sure (as it was up to the girl if she would stay with me, and no refunds if the girl decided to pick up and leave--in my case that did not happen). Essentially, this being a verbal contract and one made on some sense of "honor", what do you do if the mamasan (or whoever approved the buyout) leaves the bar?
In my case, it worked out and I saved a considerable amount of money over the barfine.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:26 pm on Mar. 17, 2006
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oreally
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Quote: from LiamOZ on 12:09 pm on Mar. 13, 2006
Gents,
Reviving this thread due to an offer from / for my regular BG of 7 tours.
Instead of paying the a dailly b500 barfine, she told me I can pay bar a once & for all b8,000. Bar management knows me well as a 'good customer' (FWIW), and I know she doesn't plan to leave bar for at least 3 of my future tours.
I guess I have barfined her around 35-40 times since 2004, and it has almost turned into a very pleasant 'tour-monagamous' arrangement. Great GFE from a girl who is calling me her BF (??), and has treated me well indeed. Any additional GFE cost has been voluntary on my part, small, and well worth it. She's upfront and doesn't spin me bullshit stories for money.
So next tour of approx 12 days, I figure I'll pay the b8,000.
Anyone done this? Any warnings or pitfalls from the experienced?
Thanks,
Liam
An excellent idea, (not reviving the post, paying a perpetual barfine)...I would have never thought of that.... (why)...might need that my next trip...I am looking at at least 30 days...Thanks...p
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 4:36 pm on Mar. 17, 2006
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