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Go Go bar girls or free lancer have the same risk as many go go dancers just bribe their doctors to say everything is fine on their medical certificate. Which ever one you use manke sure you use a condom
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 12:46 am on Dec. 26, 2002
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Hermanolobo
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I don't know how well this is controlled but a few MP's and some Go-go's I have spoken to have been shocked at the suggestion of a 'Freelancer' - They believe(MP's and Go-go's in the better places) are adequately checked.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:15 am on Jan. 7, 2003
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Chompoo
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Go Go bar girls or free lancer have the same risk as many go go dancers just bribe their doctors to say everything is fine on their medical certificate. Which ever one you use manke sure you use a condom
Why bribe the doctor if you're clean? Presumably some doctors are cheap, but others are not; even so the payment of a bribe means that at least the dancer is aware that she is HIV+, unlike many street girls who never get tested. Plus other girls at a bar have at least some incentive to make sure that HIV+ girls don't work there.
So the odds are clearly not the same between a random gogo bar girl and a girl sitting on a slab of concrete on Sukhumvit at 3am. Maybe it's 1% vs. 2% or maybe 8% vs. 20%, but there is a difference.
Now if you consider other freelancers, say college educated girls who are picking up extra cash, then that might be a different matter.
Of course, in any case the probability is sufficiently high that it warrants using a condom.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 2:10 pm on Jan. 7, 2003
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Ballsburstin
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Chompoo,
Re: "Of course, in any case the probability is sufficiently high that it warrants using a condom." I think that's it in a nutshell, all statistics and debate aside.
My TGF, during her stint as a go-go dancer, never bribed any doctor or clinic and was genuinely worried about her health. She and the other dancers were aware of some of the health issues in their profession. But when I really "cross-examined" her on this issue, I sensed that she and the other ladies really weren't that well informed about the diseases (doesn't surprise me given their average level of education), and weren't always assessing their real risks. So there was no need to fake any of test, kind of a non-sequitor.
Which got me to thinking, if I am better informed about these things than she, than I felt an obligation to behave accordingly -- though, as I said in another thread, she was the only BG in LOS that I went bareback with. Hmmm, maybe I was casting my fate with her at the time, but clearly not the responsible thing to do ("those who can't do, teach").
- Balls
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 2:30 pm on Jan. 7, 2003
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afm171
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Gentlemen,
There is very serious doubt that the microbe called HIV is resposible for causing any illness at all. There is a very high likelihood that the AIDs phenomenon is the biggest goofup/scam in medical history.
Why should you believe me? You shouldn't !! But please please don't just sit back and be spoon fed the crap that comes out of the TV. Do your own research, there are 1000s of notable scientists around the world including nobel lauretes who share this view. Get ALL the facts from both sides and then make up YOUR OWN MIND. I urge you to do some honest investigation, to seek out what is true and what is BS. This is a much bigger topic than i can account for here, so here are a few places to start.
This is a good place to start: http://www.duesberg.com/
If that whets your appetite, I highly recommend this book if you want an in depth analysis of the situation: Inventing the AIDs virus
Heres the intro to another book, if you couldn't be bothered to click...
In spending the last year and a half writing a book on the scandal behind the AIDS virus, I was blessed with a publisher who let me find the truth without worrying about the opinions of our medical establishment.
In such an atmosphere of freedom, I discovered two things right away. Most reporters could not print what they thought on this subject, and the real shape of AIDS is as different from the media picture we are fed as a mouse is from a giraffe.
AIDS around the world is not one condition. It is a variety of dead-end health situations in various groups where immune suppression is caused by different factors, such as medical drugs, starvation, syphilis, tropical disease, contaminated water, hopelessness and misery.
That's the hardest thing to get people to see. AIDS has never been proved to be one condition. The so-called AIDS virus, HIV, has never been proven to cause any human disease.
Viral hysteria, as I call it, is business as usual for the medical research establishment which operates on the idea that new diseases are bonanzas which bring Nobel prizes, grant monies, and pharmaceutical profits in the billions. It is the job of this research bureaucracy to discover new germs, claim they are the sole cause of the disease, and then start the ball rolling towards yet more "curative" drugs.
Unfortunately, the whole ball of string is unravelling with AIDS, because, since the fabled HIV virus has never been to shown to cause any disease, all the research on a vaccine and on viral inhibitors like AZT are totally misguided and wrong headed. Intellectually and intuitively, people diagnosed with AIDS realize this and are deserting orthodox health practitionersin droves as they seek their own underground health solutions for their problems.
Patients of traditional MDs are too often told their lives and habits have nothing to do with this thing they have called AIDS, and all they can do is wait for a cure for the "deadly virus."
Madness. What you then get are patients who believe they can continue to ingest speed or poppers (inhalant nitrites) or prodigious quantities of antibiotics, because no one has warned them that these things can suppress their immune response. They simply use condoms, continue their drug habits and imagine they are doing the best they can.
In every so-called high risk group, there exists a whole raft of immunosuppressive factors that can bring on the catalog of unrelated diseases and infections called AIDS. The word AIDS is simply a piece of hypnotic death dealing used to create an umbrella, under which hundreds of disease symptoms can be collected.
In AIDS Inc., I recount the case of a man who consumed over a period of ten years the following drugs on a steady basis: cocaine, heroin, poppers, crystal meth, airplane glue, valium, speed, percodans, quaaludes, and booze. After one episode of pneumocystis pneumonia, his doctor told him he had AIDS and that his only hope was to stay alive long enough to see a cure for the AIDS virus.
Gradually, this man became aware that he had destroyed his own immune system through his ingestion of drugs. He is now considering a class action suit against various medical bodies.
I've taken part in a number of public debates on AIDS, and one of the points always raised has to do with where AIDS is and isn't found in the world. The argument goes this way: Wherever we find the HIV virus we find AIDS, and wherever we don't find the virus we don't find AIDS. Therefor, AIDS is really one disease-condition caused by one virus.
Baloney. In fact, you can find people in droves who have the clinical symptoms of what is now called AIDS all over the world. You can find them in countries like India and Afghanistan where no one has reported the presence of the HIV virus, and you could have found them with the same "AIDS" symptoms ten or twenty or a hundred years ago. That also goes for heroin junkies in New York City forty years ago.
Furthermore, you can find thousands of people who test positive for the HIV virus who have no symptoms. Medical reseachers are fond of playing a trick to explain this. They say these people will eventually develop AIDS symptoms. It may take six months, and if that isn't long enough, it may take fourteen years. As long as you want. Fill in the blank. It's a very convenient way to cover massive ignorance and "explain" why many people who test positive for HIV develop no illness.
"AIDS" is basically any form of human immune suppression, which then results in the development of so-called opportunistic infections. This pattern is nothing new. It has existed in all places of the world since the beginning of time. As a matter of fact, researchers generally acknowledge that chronic malnutrition is the largest cause of immune suppression in the world.
Interesting that the latest definitions of AIDS in the Third World list the major symptoms as chronic diarrhea, chronic fever,and severe weight loss. That is the picture of what happens when a person does not eat.
The biggest long standing killer of people in the Third World is starvation, especially when coupled with traditional tropical diseased and contaminated water. This is not just a problem of droughts and acts of God, it is a political problem, because in many of these nations, if only 5% of the food already grown for export by large multinational corporations could be set aside for the local poor, starvation would diminish and end.
So in the decade ahead, AIDS is going to become a perfect smoke screen in front of people dying by starvation in the Third World. If you know anything about how these nations are being forced to refinance their unpayable debts to the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, you know that Africa, for example, is being recolonized by the West. More poor are being created who will starve, the middle classes are being destroyed. In this light, how convenient that a world of mindless TV viewers will think that Africa is dying of a virus discovered in a lab in Maryland.
This is the barest skeletal outline of what I give chapters of evidence for in AIDS Inc.: That AIDS is not one thing, that the HIV virus has never been shown to cause any disease, that groups said to have large numbers of AIDS cases already had ample immune suppression from obvious sources.
As I stress in public talks and in my book, if you think I'm recommending free-for-all sex, you're crazy. Traditional sexually transmitted diseases can wreak havoc with an immune system. However, what is going on when the idea of a single global plague is created to terrorize the hell out of a world population? I'll tell you what is going on. An effort to control those populations and make billions in pharmaceutical profits.
My prediction is that in the next three years the definition of AIDS will continue to expand. This will increase the numbers of cases being reported, and it will convince most people we are suffering from a new plague. When the vaccines and "curative" drugs are introduced globally, newer definitions of AIDS will be framed. When the definitions are again narrowed, it will appear that suddenly the numbers of cases, owing to the miracle of the new drugs, has diminished. Heroes will be crowned, but in fact a few will realize that the drugs were worthless all along - a few like you. *
Jon Rappoport
AIDS Inc.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 1:24 am on Jan. 8, 2003
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afm171
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A very good interview with professor Duesberg here:
http://www.duesberg.com/articles/bginterview.html
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:38 am on Jan. 8, 2003
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BigDUSA
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IMHO, there's to many labs, to many MD in to many countries all doing research with regards to HIV for it all to be a fraud. Up to you to believe or not believe but the prudent course of action is to use a CONDOM.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:38 am on Jan. 8, 2003
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Yurune
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I don't know what, who etc to believe about any of this....but I do know people are dead....and we all take silly risks on occassions. It's everyones choice....
Question?......I see Stickman made a 2003 prediction that a famous foreigner would contract the HIV virus in Thailand ......are any of us famous enough to count?
If one was diagnosed with HIV in a hospital in BKK as a long term resident etc.....what would happen....anyone know?......would the authorities be informed and deportation follow?....or would you just be told and left to your own devices.......I've taken tests here in the past.....but never really thought of those consequences should it turn up positive!....anyone with any ideas...TPE...MrJoe?
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 1:45 am on Jan. 8, 2003
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afm171
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Don't worry i use a condom, the regular STDs and unwanted pregnancy issues are enough motivation for me!
I DO NOT promote the idea of not using condoms. I do promote the idea of seeking the unbiased facts.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 2:34 am on Jan. 8, 2003
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Simon WS
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Regarding the HIV being a scam, I think Pareto's postulate applies. If it is a scam, we loose nothing by being careful, and if it is for real, we are risking our lives by not using condoms.
I think Ballsburstin has made the most important point, that these girls are ignorant and if we put in a little effort to increase their awareness, it helps all of us as well.
My first experience was in Jakarta and was very concerned about safetly. So I asked the girl if she got tested regularly.
SHE - "Yes, once every fourteen days
ME - And what does the doctor do?
SHE - She does a medical examination
ME - And what does she do in the examination?
SHE (obviously trying to think) - She asks me So How are you, every thing ok?
ME - Then?
SHE - Then I say Yes, everything OK.
ME (aghast) - That's all?
SHE (quickly) - No, then she looks in my eyes with a torch.
ME - Uh uh
SHE - And also my tongue
ME - She doesn't take any tests?
SHE - Yes, also blood, she takes some blood. Then I go back.
This was my first time, and I was scared of every thing, from Kissing, to 69, let alone actual sex. So I took her for five days, of which the first day was spent in the hospital while she went thru the HIV and STD test.
We are doing our own selves a favour too, by increasing their awareness of HIV and STD.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 11:40 pm on Jan. 8, 2003
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