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Mel Gibson
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The "fall too sleep" problem has only ever happened to me twice. Both times I just let it go, waited for morning, slipped Taxi money only, to her and sent her on her way.Only one bothered to argue and I just said "no honey no money ".
Mel
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Posted on: 5:47 am on Sep. 8, 2007
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Joe Wood
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If you've fallen asleep on two occasions Mel G., it's no fault of the lady. You should have paid her for her time.
That is what it is, you pay for short time or long time.
You rented the goods for a couple of hours or more. It was up to you to make use of them when you had them.
It's just like renting a car for the day. If you leave it sitting in your apartment parking lot all day and never drive anywhere, the company will still charge you.
If you hadn't rented the car, it could have been earning money elsewhere. You will understand this, as a businessman.
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Posted on: 12:06 pm on Sep. 8, 2007
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Lofty
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got to agree with you there JW... You pay for the ladies time with you inc the established services.. it is up to you as the customer how you use her time...
If she stays until the next day and you have not performed with her.. providing she was not the one to refuse then that is your problem the girl should still be paid.
If I take LT then I am expecting to perform before I sleep and after I wake up If I drink to much and cant perform that night well I am paying for the privlage of lying next to a brown bunny.. If the girl gets up to leave early and I dont perform because of her in the morning then she gets half of what she would have got..
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Posted on: 2:01 pm on Sep. 8, 2007
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Mel Gibson
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Wooow,, talk about miss reading posts!!!! or are you guys just looking for ways to attack??
THE LADY was the one who fell asleep,, yes I tried to wake her but was unable to without resorting to a bucket of ice water.
Do you suggest I f*** her while she is asleep ?? not my style and that is not what I was willing to pay for.
Humble pie served.
Mel
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Posted on: 6:46 pm on Sep. 8, 2007
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NicFrenchy
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Mel,
In that case I agree with you. If the ladies tries to get away without offering sexual services, then she should not be paid.
It is my understanding that ST and LT do not mean only renting company without sex (I hope we're not that desperate). ST means you have one shot, can be 1 to 2 hours depending on Foreplay and how quick you are to shoot (can be 10 minutes too LOL). LT is also understood to be 2 sex sessions (or more, but up to her).
Some ladies might try and pull a fast one on some Tourists, maybe, but I never had any problems so far (not that I can recall anyhow).
Mel, just curious, maybe the place you brought her too had a "Smell" she did not like? (joking)
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Posted on: 7:49 pm on Sep. 8, 2007
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Mel Gibson
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Nicfrenchy,, no smell was a spa suite at Town lodge.
She just crashed out as soon as we got to the room,, no shower no NOTHING.
A wasted night, as I couldn't go out to get an alternative service provider as my room had many valuables in it.
I was not angry in the morning, just dissapointed. I believe slipping her 500 for taxi was generous.
A shame as she had a BEAUTIFULL butttttt
I picked her up ( free lancer) at a disco,,, AHHH can't remember the name of the joint.
Perhaps she had just over indulged in chemicals and or alcohol.
If I was to see her again, earlier at night, I would give a second try.One mistake is more than forgivable, hence taxi money offered ( P.S I also got her breakfast)
Mel.
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Posted on: 9:05 pm on Sep. 8, 2007
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Cunnilingual
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I think JW misread Mel's entry.
An easy mistake to make considering what was written........ "The "fall too sleep" problem has only ever happened to me twice."
If he had read it contextually, maybe he would have been able to understand the meaning in the way it was supposedly intended.
But who said anything about f***ing ( raping ? ) the lady while she is sleeping ?
Only Mel Gibson and it's at least reassuring to hear that that is not his style. So why drag that in ?
Good also to hear that a generous 500 baht taxi fare and breakfast was given. But it begs the question as to how long it took for an assessment the previous night to see or know of how fit or sober she was to perform to expectation for him.
But then I don't agree with Nic Fenchy about all this gradation of what occurs between the two of you determining the price. That reduces that negotiation to a ridiculous pantomime.
There should be an agreement at least in general.
I know that some guys prefer not to mention the fact that their intention is to screw the living daylights out of the lady concerned but prefer to allow developments to unfold, as if they are on a non-P4P date.
This is their confusion...and a big mistake. It's also a risk runner.
It goes back to this misconception that they make love to a P4P girl.
You don't, ever !
That is one of the charms abour living in Thailand.
The culture and society have been able to make such a clear distinction between making love and having sex. They are two completely different things.
But unfortunately, you have guys from overseas from different parts of the world who still very much have the two entwined in their brains as one.
Nic Frenchy is certainly not one of them.
But when he writes............
ST means you have one shot, can be 1 to 2 hours depending on Foreplay and how quick you are to shoot (can be 10 minutes too LOL). LT is also understood to be 2 sex sessions (or more, but up to her).
I must stress that this is only understood by Nic Frenchy and anyone else who cares to adopt that as his belief.
( This may include all the board members, as this viewpoint is permeated throughout the forum. But it is generally not shared.
You may find some ladies who would agree. But it is not a general understanding on their part by any means and this is why guys have difficulties sometimes.
Quote from above :
Some ladies might try and pull a fast one on some Tourists,..........
Well, would you believe it that some guys pull fast ones on the ladies day after day.
You may hear, once a month, of a lady pulling a fast one on a tourist.
Where these ladies work and live, they hear of tourists and others pulling fast ones on ladies every day of their lives.
Let's get a little balance here.
You pay for her time, come what may.
You agree to paying the quoted price after negotiating approximately what that might include.
It amazes me when I read about guys who are used to getting complicated international contracts drawn up and agreements made in their work lives and yet when it comes to a simple agreement betwen two strangers about one night's interaction, they go all gooey and prefer to let things slide.
They wouldn't dream of doing that in business.
Part of the problem of this is that the renting of the lady, her long or short time, is a business agreement. And both sides should abide by that.
( Sometimes it doesn't happen. There are both ladies and guys who will cancel or run out or not appear for a variety of reasons ).
The other part of the problem is that the sexual nature of the interaction is not easily described nor contracted and is usually left as an unspoken assumption, there being a huge reliance being placed upon the lady's professionalism and honour, who is expected to perform to the unspoken and undescribed expectations of the customer.
Sorry guys.
I've heard all the arguments before.
You rent her body for a short or a long time for the money agreed.
What happens is dependent on good will, understanding, a degree of trust and generosity, and at least a glimmer of chemistry between the two involved to achieve a degree of sexual satifaction.
You, as a client, have just as much right to call a halt to proceedings in the middle of the night, having paid for long time, as she has just as much right to walk out at 5 a.m. instead of 6 a.m. because she just doesn't want a fourth round and didn't expect it, not having agreed to number or frequency.
And if she does decide to walk out after three at 5 a.m. I believe she should be paid her full amount.
And what about guys who can't or wont come.
Can they f*** the lady all night and not pay a single baht because they haven't been able to come or they wouldn't allow themseves to come ?
You must be joking !
It would be like those cheap thieving bastards who go into a sucking bar and get the lady to suck them and then after a time, walk out without paying a single baht.
Don't tell me that that is justifiable, acceptable or moral behaviour. It isn't ; not by any stretch of the imagination. And it's no use labelling them from a particular country either. They come from all walks of life and from every country in the world, including Thailand.
What of the 60, 70 or 80 year old guy who just wants company for the night or a few hours.
No sex at all.
No touching at all.
By that reckoning, he walks away without paying a dime.
Rubbish.
He pays the full whack for short time or long time.
The lady's engine is running and she can spend her time just as profitably elsewhere.
And what of the guy who comes twice in a Long time agreement but who doesn't experience sexual satisfaction ?
Come off it guys !
You cannot measure it nor quantify it or contractually describe it.
Pay for the rental time.
Get as much co-operation as you can get, with good will, consideration and feeling.
And shut the duck up.
The other confusion in the falang /farang mind is thinking that the majority of working girls here in South-East Asia are in any way related to the working girls in the West. They are not. And if you don't understand this, then you've missed something along the way.
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Posted on: 9:14 pm on Sep. 8, 2007
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from Cunnilingual on 11:08 am on Sep. 9, 2007
The other confusion in the falang /farang mind is thinking that the majority of working girls here in South-East Asia are in any way related to the working girls in the West. They are not. And if you don't understand this, then you've missed something along the way.
A lot of guys seem to be missing that obvious point, and it's always disheartening to see some drunk dumbasses treating local girls as they would treat hookers in the West... and then complain about being treated like shit by everyone during their trip. (you know the type).
Sadly, these are the guys giving the rest of us a bad reputation with local working girls.
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Posted on: 11:36 pm on Sep. 8, 2007
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Papayaman
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I agree that one of the nice things about Bangkok bargirls, or massage parlour girls is that they are different from Western hookers and you can often get a much nicer experience with them. That has overwhelmingly been my experience with most of the girls I have hired in Bangkok. However, in the case of the lady I described she seemed to have an attitude very much like that of a Western hooker. Persuade someone to take you and then try to get the maximum cash for the least performance - not an attitude I have found to be common here. I do not think she can be any of the ladies Daffy described in his earlier mail unless she took a real personal dislike to me. That is always possible - but then why did she encourage me to barfine her if I am so obnoxious? And there was no great change in my demeanour or appearance between going from the bar to my hotel room. The change was in her from being enthusiastic in the bar and then turning into a classic starfish in the room.
I also have to offer at least some degree of a corrective to Daffy's condemnation of evil boozed up tourists spoiling the scene for residents. I have met a fair sample of the sexpats in Bangkok. Whilst I am by no means a bargirl's ideal I actually compare rather well to some of the residents I have met, whose appearance and behaviour are all too redolent of the bars in which they seem to spend the bulk of their lives. Sure there are some tourists who behave obnoxiously, but lets not pretend they are the only ones.
For information, I barfined a charming girl at Champagne last night who gave me a most pleasant couple of hours in her company. Being a gentleman's club, you have to pay rather more (although I was ungentlemanly enough to bargain and this was courteously accepted). The benefits are that the girls are really rather good looking and on the whole seem to have better English skills than the average in the bars. That is the great thing about Bangkok - the very occasional negative experience is very occasional, and the norm is that girls from a deprived background treat us better than we generally deserve.
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Posted on: 1:11 am on Sep. 9, 2007
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Sporadic
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Quote: from Papayaman on 9:05 am on Sep. 9, 2007
the very occasional negative experience is very occasional, and the norm is that girls from a deprived background treat us better than we generally deserve.
Truism.
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Posted on: 3:02 am on Sep. 9, 2007
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