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Kaymanx
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Permit my lack of knowledge of which exactly is this Soi 10 complex. I have seen the picture posted by Stickman and I have got a rough idea that it relates to that sprawling cluster of road-level bars which housed scores of pool tables, beer bars, a couple of massage parlours and internet cafes. Am I right ?
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Posted on: 3:40 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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Kaymanx
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Yes, Mr Joe, I have got that general idea about the military's activities from the press and from the discussion boards. But it does strike me as a form of hijack by military personnel themselves acting on behest. All the same, I am very sad, because (1) I love Thailand and I think Thai people need to shore up their democratic system and ensure the military stays in its place (2) I have not been able to exactly place this complex, but I suspect it is the one where I had one of the best massages only last week 
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Posted on: 3:48 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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MrJoe
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Oh, believe me I share your sadness and have for about 2 decades. As both a true beliver in Democracy and someone who took great pride in being a profesional soldier, it both saddens and enrages me that the Thai military has always trampled on the rights and needs of the society it is supposed to serve.
But I think you are mistaken about the direction in which things are going. As a matter of fact the military has become much more the organization that it is supposed to be over the last 10 years. It still has MUCH farther to go, but this event is not a new trend but rather a remnant of the old ways.
In the interest of fairness I should point out that there are of course many Thai soldiers who serve, or have served, honorably -- some of whom I worked with or know personally. I speak of the military as an entity and not so much of individuals.
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Posted on: 3:55 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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Sauron
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This wasn't done by the Thai military as such. It was done by a few indivduals all of whom are associated with the deputy PM Gen Chavalit. Specifically people in TISCO and The Davis Group. The Bangkok Post has named names but as usual stopped short of playing connect-the-dots. One of the named names, LTG Sitt, is the fellow who gunned down Klaew Tanakul in 1991. He's an assassin. Another is associated with Akradet Sasiprapa (of Chian Mai Night Bazaar fame and brother of Yutthisak Sasiprapa. Another is son of the late great Gen Sunthorn (Big Jod) Komsongpong. Another is associated with Chavalit's right hand man Somchai Montrivat. These are all heavy hitters and can assure you that none of them will ever spend a day in jail over this and probably not anything else.
As for the Prime Minister he is just posturing for the TV cameras, he could give a shit for Suk.Square, he is just manuevering to bring this group of "Army mafia" under his own control so they can do some eviction work for him -- like, the Assembly of the Poor...
Wait and see.
By the way the Thai military with all its warts is the guardian of the Monarcht, and as such is a whole lot more in touch with the wishes and needs of the Thai people than are the elected gangsters that are murdering their way through their term in office, and doing their worst to try to make sure they can stay in power forever and they don't care how many Thais they have to kill to achieve that, so pls don't tell me about "democratic principles" and the military "staying it its place". That's a whole lot of hogwash.
Does anyone think that Thaksin stands for democracy and the rule of law?
There are really only two laws in Thailand, and those are money law and gun law.
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Posted on: 4:09 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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MrJoe
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I don't disagree with any of that except the part about "democratic principles" or that the military should have a cicumscribed role in a democracy being hogwash.
This is after all a constitutional monarchy and I don't think that the protection of the monarchy is justification for any and all excesses. Nor do I think that (correctly) pointing out that the political establishment is just as bad is justification for anything.
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Posted on: 4:15 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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MrJoe
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Oh, and let's not forget that there's a reason such sleazy characters have thrived within the military and it DOES reflect on it as an institution.
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Posted on: 4:17 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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Sauron
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Again, this was not a concerted action by "the military" any more than when Pol Gen Chalor's guys raped and killed the wife and killed the young son of the fence of the Saudi diamons, was that a concerted action of the Thai Police. No. These are isolated acts by small business cliques within the military and the police. And I think murder and rape are a whole lot worse than trespass at night and crimes against property, don't you? So the police locking up these guys, who should be on the bad side of the bars?
MrJoe, you and I are Americans and our American Constitution has lasted a long time. The Thais have had how many constitutions since 1932? Anyone think this heap of shit constitution of 1997 is going to last? No, and good riddance, because it's one of the worst they have ever had, bloated and with all sorts of bullshit grafted on, written by a committee of fools and knaves. Have you ever read it?
Thaksin bought his way into office and will buy and kill his way to re-election if he can. He is only a modest improvement on a mass murderer like Hun Sen, or Than Shwe, etc.
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Posted on: 4:25 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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Sauron
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Name any institution in Thailand save the Monarchy amd the Monkhood about which your statement is not true.
Therefore it is meaningless.
Check out the Parliament, the Cabinet, the Judiciary, the legal profession, and you will find exactly the same tolerance of bad apples, failure to self police, and therefore "reflection upon (said institution) itself."
Therefore why single out the military? The police were part and parcel of the 1991 coup, and you know what? Good riddance to Na Chart, he was no plaster saint. He was a corrupt son of a corrupt father who both enriched themselves on heroin along with the rest of the Soi Rachakru Ratpack.
Thaksin? He makes Chatichai look like a saint.
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Posted on: 4:33 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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MrJoe
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Where did you get the idea that I think that this was a concerted action by the military? I didn't say that. Why compare it to Chalor? If I had my way he would have long ago been executed. The police organization is also riddled with corruption and always has been. And you and I both know how many big time nasty characters have worn that uniform.
As for Thaksin and Chavalit, I loathe them.
None of this negates the points I have made in my previous posts as far as I can see. Again the rise of people like Pao or Chalor in the police or various drug dealing mafia godfathers in the military is an indication of something seriously wrong with the system.
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Posted on: 4:38 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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Sauron
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MrJoe, I think you are wistfully projecting the American ideal of the nonpolitical, citizen based soldiery onto Thailand. However, that sort of imposition of an alien (to the Thais) value system DOES NOT WORK nor should it as long as the executive branch in Thailand (not to mention the legislative) are little more than gangsters.
I don't get my opinions out of the Bangkok Post editorial page (and I know you don't either.) I have a future daughter in law who cries every night because her father was murdered by Thaksin's thugs 3 months ago. His crime? He was a popular and succesful canvasser for the Democrats. Bang Bang Shot dead by motorcyclists while standing on his front stoop at 6 ASM with his wife.
That is Thaksin's law. Gun law. Money law. The only law in Thailand.
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Posted on: 4:40 am on Jan. 29, 2003
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