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Al Kiholic
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Are they still holding people at the airport that are suspected to have SARS?
What is the word?
Actually Sars lasts longer than Pnumonia but really isn't any more deadly. I think people are making more out of this than is needed.
But still.....what's the SARS word in LOS?
Al
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Posted on: 5:25 pm on May 5, 2003
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Tsonoqua
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Al, I couldn't agree with you more, about people overreacting. There have been no SARS deaths in the US, and very few world-wide (yes, I know that is no consolation if you are among the departed).
Over 30,000 people die from Influenza, world-wide, every year. SARS deaths just don't measure up.
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Posted on: 6:29 pm on May 5, 2003
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Fritz
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@ Tsonoqua:
I am afraid you could be very wrong with this assumption...
First of all, there have been hundreds of death cases globally, also 61 cases and 7 deaths in the US already. Although the number of new SARS victims in Singapure and Malaysia seems to be declining, the situation in China is still out of control and getting worse.
If just a couple of the million Chinese migrant workers will transport the virus by accident into central or western China, then the battle will be almost certainly lost as there are no precautionary medical services whatever in these parts of the country. Even in the best of all cases, SARS will remain a problem in China for years to come...
What is most worrying right now is that new cases of SARS have been discovered in India lately - if the desease migrates to the poorer and heavily populated parts of India, probably nothing will be able to stop it there.
So, it is completely irrelevant if SARS has yet come to the US or not, the battle will be decided in Central China and India. If SARS will become an epidemic there, you can be damn sure that it will reach all other parts of the world sooner or later, including the US...
Cheers, Fritz
http://www.who.int/csr/sarscountry/2003_05_05/en/
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Posted on: 7:16 pm on May 5, 2003
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haam sup
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The latest research suggests that the SARS virus is pretty durable, too. It can survive on surfaces for at least 4 days.
Also, it is heavily excreted in urine and feces, making thorough hand-washing imperative. This is actually quite alarming, because aircraft W/Cs are notoriously filthy.
Where has my 747 been in the last 4 days? And 'holding it' on a 14 hour flight doesn't seem like an option.
Strong disinfectants like bleach, ethanol, and formaldehyde kill it on surfaces, but detergents are not very effective. It is quite sensitive to temperature changes, but can live longer in colder environments, making it likely to be seasonal...
All-in-all, a different beast than influenza, and very early in its epidemiology. Doesn't look good.
haam sup
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Posted on: 8:59 pm on May 5, 2003
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cmore
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You need to check that web site again brother Fritz. That 7 you refer to is the number of new cases of SARS in the US since the last WHO report was posted. According to WHO there have been 0 SARS deaths in the US as of May 5.
Also according to WHO the only time SARS can survive for 4 days is in diarrhoea feces because diarrhoea feces has less acid then regular feces. In regular feces it survives for 48 hours and in urine for 24 hours.
Good point brother Haam has about airplane bathrooms. That's why I'll be carrying a small bottle of hand sanitizer ( the kind that doesn't require water or towels ) in my pocket at all times during my visit to LOS. Better safe then sorry. Peace ( I wonder if that stuff works on other parts besides hands  )
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Posted on: 10:18 pm on May 5, 2003
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Tsonoqua
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For statistics, I have to go with cmore.
Further, statistically, the place where we are all at greatest risk of contracting a virus is during a long-duration airplane flight. Not only the filthy restrooms, but the recirculated air, which is also lower in oxygen content than air at sea level.
Since most of us take a plane to Bangkok, who knows what diseases we have brought to the Land of Smiles?
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Posted on: 12:02 am on May 6, 2003
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Peter
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Well, chaps,
as for the real question in this thread, nothing helpful.
I decided to fly into Bangkok again this Friday from Beijing/Peking of all places!
And I have to rely on what THAI Airway people tell me here, when it comes to entering procedures. Would have appreciated some more insight advice.
But apart from that:
Peking/China: (SITREP)
This normally more than buzzling city is d e s e r t e d, foreigners/visitors/tourists are nill, just people like me who earn their living here stay, hotels are empty, closing down outlets, restaurants are empty, closing down, shops are empty, closing ... this is (however grave the reason may be) a much disturbing scene !
I pray to whatever GOD it may be, that this does not happen to Bangkok and LOS - it would mean desaster for all our beloved BG's, etc.
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Posted on: 7:46 am on May 6, 2003
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Fritz
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@ cmore:
You're of course right - it was quite late and I got the number from the wrong column.
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Posted on: 7:57 am on May 6, 2003
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Ghostwriter
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Having been living with this SARS stuff for more than two months here in HK my view, for what it's worth, is that this is not a seriously contagious infection unless you happen to be very unlucky and encounter a 'super infector'. The problem here has been aggravated by at least two such cases - one in a hotel who helped to trigger off the global spread - and one who helped spread it through the housing estate with 300+ cases.
By the way, there is some evidence to suggest that people who have antibodies to Hep B are likely to suffer more seriously if infected. Given the number of Hep B carriers in this part of the world this is not a good thing.
I'm not sure Haam Sup is correct about the ability of the virus to survive for 4 days on surfaces - I believe it was 12 hours on plastic. Most lifts here have had the floor buttons covered by plastic or acetate sheets and are being cleaned with a 1:99 mix of bleach and water (or as the TV jingle here goes "yat bei gau sahp gau") as are other surfaces in offices, schools and colleges.
HK seems to have got it under control with new daily cases now down to 8-9, 1-2 of whom are still health workers. The problem for the doctors and nurses has been very serious here initially because of the ill-advised use of nebulisers and more recently because of the risks during intubation.
This is a nasty bug but death rates here are about the same as standard pneumonia. If you check out the WHO website the first thing that meets your eye is the 3000 deaths a day from malaria among children. Given that in late March we were projecting up to 3000 cases by the end of May this is clearly a controllable infection and has never reached true epidemic proportions in HK.
Someone told me this evening that some Canadians want to patent the virus!!!! There will be a whole load of Chinese in Guangdong Province queuing up for a piece of the action!
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Posted on: 10:38 am on May 6, 2003
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Smegma
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Just saw on tv that the virus survives 4 hours on surfaces. But who cares? 4 hours or 5 days... one does not go asking surfaces how long since they were cleaned. So better be cautious anyway and wash your hands before you bring them close to your mouth.
BTW, some airborne infectious diseases can also be caught through the eyes. Not a bad idea to use your shades indoors -though some may think you are high on drugs and hiding your dilated pupils.
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Posted on: 10:43 am on May 6, 2003
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