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MarkC
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Quote: from cyberbkk on 3:08 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
Quote: from MarkC on 2:37 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
Quote: from cyberbkk on 7:02 am on Oct. 10, 2004
It slows down in the evenings, as with most providers.
Oh I see, the now too common 'you don't get what you pay for' trick sevice providers employ to make more money...oh well.
Actually the slowing down is becuase in the evening the number of people who use the service increases extremely since the people come home from work and the students come home from school. And other than that, you get what you pay for, the mentioned speed is always from your computer into the true network and not to the final destination, but there is no way to guarantee a fixed speed with these services, if you want a guaranteed speed, you need to take a business package, plenty available from all providers.
'And other than that, you get what you pay for...'
So *except* for the very thing you're paying for...you get what you're paying for. 
'...but there is no way to guarantee a fixed speed with these services, if you want a guaranteed speed, you need to take a business package...'
Is it just me or is that contradictory?? Or as Alice would have said, 'Curioser and curioser.'
As I'm sure you know, it's really down to sharing out bandwidth amongst users (customers) and hoping they don't notice. It's down to contention rates and you almost answer the question yourself in your reply--if you want what you think you're paying for you need to pay extra for a 'business' service. If you want lots of happy customers rent a bigger pipe.
PS 'It slows down in the evenings, as with most providers.' I wonder what magical formula the service providers who don't suffer from this problem use...
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Posted on: 5:10 am on Oct. 10, 2004
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compexec1
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The critical path
DSL Modem to DSLAM - this is the "bandwidth" you are paying for, but are you even getting that since your speed is limited by the physical distance to the DSLAM.
DSLAM to CO - What type of lines do they have from the DSLAM to CO? I could sell 100 people 4096KB service, but if I only have T-1 service back to the CO then everyone is still sharing a 1560KB pipe.
CO to Peering Point - What is the type of connection they have from the CO to the Peering Point. This is a 2nd point where they can over-sell there bandwidth 20 to 1, or 100 to 1 if they want.
The last hop before we start the same thing on the other side would the Peering point's capacity, this would very from country to country and may be bypassed by a large ISP's own multi-national networks.
At this point we start all over, doing almost the same thing to hit your destination device.
As you can see there are many bottle necks, and all ISP's oversell, the good ones monitor there critical links and upgrade them as needed to hit SLA's.
Anyway my 2 cents.
Compy
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Posted on: 6:38 am on Oct. 10, 2004
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cyberbkk
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Quote: from compexec1 on 6:53 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
The critical path
DSL Modem to DSLAM - this is the "bandwidth" you are paying for, but are you even getting that since your speed is limited by the physical distance to the DSALM.
DSLAM to CO - What type of lines do they have from the DSLAM to CO? I could sell 100 people 4096KB service, but if I only have T-1 service back to the CO then everone is still sharing a 1560KB pipe.
CO to Peering Point - What is the type of connection they have from the CO to the Peering Point. This is a 2nd point where they can over-sell there bandwidth 20 to 1, or 100 to 1 if they want.
The last hop before we start the same thing on the other side would the Peering point's capacity, this would very from country to country and may be bypassed by large ISP's own multi-national networks.
At this point we start all over, doing almost the same thing to hit your destination device.
As you can see there are many bottle necks, and all ISP's oversell, the good ones monitor there critical links and upgrade them as needed to hit SLA's.
Anyway my 2 cents.
Compy
nothing to add to this very good explaination, if one cares to read the contracts, it is mostly (ok, at least with true) stated that the company does not guarantee the bandwith.
That would not be possible, how can you gurantee a 4 Mbit bandwith to every destination when there are more then just a few webservers with a 2Mbit or less leased line connection?
And please name the provider that does not suffer from peak time. I don't know any. With a business service, you get a different kind of service of course, for that you pay more and so you can expect a different kind of performance as well as reliability.
But for the price that you get TRUE xDSL, it is not a bad value, considereing the alternatives (check out some prices - and keep an eye on the requirements when it comes to ADSL, ever noticed that there are not so many ADSL infrastructures in Thailand - there are TRUE, ADC, TOT, Samart and TT&T (did I forget one?) - if you look at Providers like ji-net.com or Loxinfo - you will see that you need to be in an coverage area from one of these Companies as the pure ISP's of course don't have their own infrastructure when it comes to lines. So you might sign up at ji-net but if you have a telecom asia line you most likely will access the ji-net network via the TRUE infrastructure.
Anyway, if you find an ISP that does never have peak time problems, guarantees you the full speed at all times and is available from 590 Baht unlimited - let us know the name as I am sure many would immedialty sign up
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Posted on: 7:50 am on Oct. 10, 2004
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compexec1
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Cyberbkk-
So what speed lines do you/or your backbone provider normally run from a DSLAM to a CO? How many subscribers with about how much aggregate bandwidth on a typical DSLAM?
Also what is the infrastructure from the CO to the peering point/points? What are your BKK peering point/points?
Compy
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Posted on: 9:27 am on Oct. 10, 2004
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MarkC
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DSL *modem*. I expected better from someone who's first sugestion was theft! Oh well, it's only a word that marketing people use that most people don't understand.
True's service may be reasonable and I'll probably buy it--it seems like a good deal, but what a shame it's marketed in the same dishonest way it is (almost?) everywhere else--an employee (?) actually admitting 'it slows down in the evenings' when people use it. Just because everybody does it doesn't make it right, you know.
I wonder how long before customers are refused service because they actually use what they've paid for (usually the next step, after download limits are imposed of course.)
It really all comes down to crap business plans and that seems so ingrained and accepted these days it'll probably never change. In fact, whether True employees know it or not, download limits will be built into the business plan...they kinda have to be if you think about it. Saves capital investment.
And I don't think anyone thinks that a slow web server somewhere is part of the problem, do they?
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Posted on: 12:49 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
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compexec1
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Quote: from MarkC on 2:04 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
DSL *modem*. I expected better from someone who's first sugestion was theft! Oh well, it's only a word that marketing people use that most people don't understand.
I do know what MODEM and DSL stand for, even ADSL and SDSL... I was trying not to use to much tech speak, I guess I failed.
Compy
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Posted on: 2:08 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
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Old Hand
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I can understand the speed drop-off when the service is busy and it does not seem unreasonable.
My question is - is the drop-off "pro-rata" i.e. is the speed loss (approximately) the same as a percentage regardless of the package one subscribes to, or does every package drop-off to the same speed as all the others?
Talking specifically about the True service here since I am considering signing up for that.
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Posted on: 11:43 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
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DrLove
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I think a difficult question to anwer. The amount of 'loss' also depends on the area where you are (I believe).
Another thing to consider is the location where you are because the type of connection speed cannot be had anywhere. A friend of mine, who lives near Bangna, is only able to get a 512/256 package.
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Posted on: 11:47 pm on Oct. 10, 2004
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