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Quote: from Smegma on 11:16 pm on July 29, 2004
Oh! and who were you calling stupid? Watch out, because I can teach you a thing or two young Harry. Some words may not fit your mouth and may not look good on you using them at your tender age.
Wasn't calling you stupid - it was a knee jerk reaction every single time someone brings these morons up - their little movie is certainly NOT the gospel, and as it turns out, they later admitted that they 'somewhat exagerated' for the sake of 'art'.
Unfortunately, a LOT of people believed them, and that hurt what I consider to be the best product in its class. Their loss, I guess.
What you are saying is that IF you pay an additional US$59 to Apple, battery replacement is covered during a 3 year period.
Yes, indeed. Chances are that in three years, you will end up buyng a new model, as well.
You also said that you can buy replacements kits from third party vendors (wow! in my days changing batteries was easy and simple, buy the battery and change it).
Really? I know plenty of cordless phones tha didn't use standard batteries, and where changing batteries took several trips to various stores, or buying them from the manufacturer. I have no issue with specialized devices using specialized batteries - though I understand that many of the competing, albeit inferior, players use simple and easily changeable batteries. Of course, you'd then add the cost of batteries.
Others, especially some of the higher-end players, also have locked up rechargeables.
Yes, and the kits are quite cheap, and perfoming the swap yourself takes less than 5 minutes.
They are certainly far less than what Apple charges for replacement, and so is the AppleCare, which covers everything, including AppleCare.
Now, what happens IF you DID NOT buy the additional AppleCare thing for the Ipod and after the warranty has lapsed, your battery died and you naively walked into an Apple store a year ago (say before third party vendors started selling their kits) ? You didn't convince me that Apple gave an easy cheap solution.
The third party kits have existed since the 2nd generation iPods were out, which was before the 'problems' of the 3rd gen were even known. Since the vast majority of iPods functioned without a hitch for a long time, these issues did not get public airplay until recently.
Personally, I do concede and agree that Apple should have released an AppleCare for the iPods much sooner - not so much because it would address the battery issues (it would), but rather because 95% of all AppleCare users never use it, and thus it consitutes a high profit item.
You may be happy with your units. That is a specific case. But what about the statistiscally unlucky (yes, it happens that some things break down) to whom this happened some time ago.
Within one year, covered by warranty. Over the year, if your battery hoses, $35 replaced your battery. $59 if you don't shop around. Yes, I know, some people only go to Apple Stores, and Apple hasn't handled that issue most gracefully (i.e. they took too long to come out with AppleCare).
BTW, as of this time Apple charges US$105.95 for battery servicing. ( http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/service/battery.html )
Yes, this is standard. Compare that to the standard out of warranty repair prices of every other mnaufcaturer, and you will find this not to be out of line.
Harry
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Posted on: 4:32 am on July 30, 2004
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Quote: from CiaoCiao on 3:17 am on July 30, 2004
Unless you're a diehard Apple fan check out Creative's new 40 and 60 gig Zen multimedia models. Probably not in BKK yet though.
If you can afford to wait 2-3 hours to fill up those hard drives, then they are certainly a good deal.
You don't have to be a die-hard Apple fan to want an iPod. 60% of iPod buyers are PC users.
Harry
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Posted on: 4:33 am on July 30, 2004
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Quote: from hzink on 4:32 pm on July 30, 2004
Harry, you come accross as an Apple fanatic. That is obvious. But the problem with that -as with all fanatics- is that instead of helping the cause of the thing they support, they detract from it. Because most normal people most of the time do not like to listen to arguments presented by fanatics.
You keep going around to find ANY way to defend the subject of your fanatism. Even if it means using the straw-man strategy of debate -which is a poor obvious way of debating.
I am glad you like your Apple so much. I am not such a fan. I have bought all 3 brands: Archos, Nomad and Ipod. I prefer the Archos and my daughter the Ipod. As you can see, I am not a fanatic and for this reason many people may end up paying more attention to me when talking about the different models than to you. Why? Well, it should be pretty obvious. If I have to say why......
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Posted on: 8:43 am on July 30, 2004
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Thats why I love the BTF
An argument over Ipods!
Got to agree with Smegma.
Why?
Because it is all about the consumer.
Consumer tastes to be exact.
And to support Smegma even more,
manufacturers know this.
Competing manufacturers know
that buyers will purchase
alternates to Ipod,
because it's not an Ipod.
Harry, your my tech guy,
but loosen up a bit.
After all,
it is only about toys.
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Posted on: 10:23 am on July 30, 2004
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Quote: from Smegma on 8:43 pm on July 30, 2004
Quote: from hzink on 4:32 pm on July 30, 2004
Harry, you come accross as an Apple fanatic. That is obvious. But the problem with that -as with all fanatics-
I'm sorry you feel that way. I like good tools that do well what they set out to do.
The iPod is such a tool. The Macintosh is such a tool. Coincidentally, they are both Apple products. It is unfortunate that Apple does certain things extremely well, and does so without compromise.
You like an Archos, your daughter likes her iPod. Good for both of you.
What you prefer about your Archos are certainly other criteria that other people prefer about iPods.
How long is the battery life on your Archos? How do you replace the battery? How long does it take to fill up its hard drive for you?
I've had a great variety of music players, and while I was originally sceptical of the iPod, it is the only such player that is nearly constantly with me, and I actually use nearly 24/7.
I also have had various cheaper players - but not only have I spent more on other players combined than one iPod, but I also rarely, if ever ended up using them after initial excitement wore off. Yes, the iPod may cost more, but which one do I get more mileage out of?
Again, it depends what you like, and what your criteria are - there's even some people that like SONY's CONNECT service, and MiniDisc players...
Just whatever you do, don't bother buying music online from the 'regular stores (iTunes Store, Napster, Connect, etc.. they are all ripoffs.)
Harry
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Posted on: 4:06 pm on July 30, 2004
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Quote: from Nick Lloyd on 12:49 am on July 31, 2004
Heard about the Zen Touch?
Apparantly it kicks Apple's ass on all sides.
Why?
What makes it better?
Harry
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Posted on: 4:07 pm on July 30, 2004
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Quote: from DrLove on 11:46 pm on July 30, 2004
ABC, the point is your information is off topic... the question was where to get it in BKK or Sri Racha.
Next time Raz comes with info about the availibility in Mumbai....
Becarefully Smegma, hzink, Nick Lloyd and Fastmover. You are goin' off topic and you might piss off Dr. Love. Oh well, then again; piss off Dr. Love!! Ha ha ha ha!!
As to which MP3 player is the best, IMO depends on what you are lookin' for. Each one has their own pro's and con's. Cnet has a decent article on this.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Music/4520-7964_7-5134106-1.html?tag=dir.bg
Excerpt from the article:
Every month, manufacturers unleash even more MP3 players to an increasingly confused public. Not only do these devices have wildly divergent features, but ongoing format wars mean the MP3 player you choose dictates where you can buy your digital music. These devices are anything but one-size-fits-all.
First, there's the question of design. A player can have every feature in the world, but if the design doesn't match your lifestyle or if the interface is impenetrable, you still won't enjoy it. You'll want to look closely at performance; sound quality and battery life can make or break a player, especially if you travel a lot or have the so-called golden ears of an audiophile.
Before you start checking out specific models, you should have a basic understanding of the types of MP3 players available. Note: All types of player mentioned below can play other formats besides MP3, such as WMA or AAC, but we still refer to them as MP3 players.
Types of players: Hard drive based | Micro hard drive based | Flash based |
MP3 CD
Hard drive-based players:
Most likely, a high-capacity player can accommodate every song you've ever purchased. Hard drives run from 10GB on up, and large players such as the 60GB Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra can hold around 17,000 songs, assuming an average file size of 3.5MB per tune.
Pros: They store all your music on one device.
Cons: These players are usually built around a 1.8-inch hard drive; thus, they are larger and heavier than the others. Also, hard drives have moving parts, so these players aren't ideal for strenuous physical activity. Finally, most use rechargeable batteries (usually lasting 6 to 16 hours per charge) that you can't replace yourself, so after a couple of years, you might have to pay for a new model.
Micro hard drive-based players:
Straddling the line between full-size hard drive-based MP3 players and compact, flash-based players, these models aim to give you the best of both worlds by using miniature hard drives (about 1 inch in diameter) with capacities of up to 5GB. Players such as the Rio Nitrus can't store as much music, but they feel a lot lighter in the pocket.
Pros: They're smaller and lighter than high-capacity players but still hold more tunes than flash-based models with the same price.
Cons: You get fewer megabytes per dollar than you do with a larger player, and these models have many of the same disadvantages of larger hard drive-based units, including the moving parts that limit physical activity and nonremovable batteries that eventually wear out and need to be replaced.
Flash-based players:
The original MP3 player design, these have no moving parts and are known for their shockproof operation and ultracompact dimensions. Devices range in capacity from 32MB to 1GB. Creative's Nomad MuVo line, for example, includes mostly flash-based players.
Pros: Flash-based players are tiny. They also have no moving parts, so their batteries last longer, and you can jog, snowboard, or bungee jump with them without causing skipping or damage.
Cons: They have the highest per-megabyte cost and max out at 1GB.
MP3 CD players:
These look just like portable CD players, except they can read data CDs filled with digital music. You can burn approximately 150 MP3 songs (10 albums) on one 650MB disc. But if you want to take your CD collection with you, no worries--these devices can play standard CDs, as well.
Pros: These are the least expensive of all types of MP3 players, and they use incredibly cheap replaceable media (CD-R/RW discs).
Cons: They're large and can skip when jostled.
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Posted on: 5:19 pm on July 30, 2004
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Weve all had this mass-debate before.
My 2 saleungs worth:
I own a zen - a friend with an ipod listened to it and immediately said the sound and amplification on mine kicked the ipods ass.
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Posted on: 8:15 pm on July 31, 2004
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Smegma
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FB, maybe it is time for some serious file swapping: your zen and my archos.
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Posted on: 11:15 pm on July 31, 2004
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