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snpark
nokia has 44% of the smartphone market? really? with what? n95 / n96 etc and their e series too?
wow


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Posted on: 4:19 am on Aug. 24, 2009
Edge
SN,
apple only has 1 model?

so an iphone, and a 3g iphone, and a 3gS iphone are all the same then?

You think so? Go ahead, read up on it!!!!


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Posted on: 9:59 pm on Aug. 26, 2009
DaffyDuck

Quote: from snpark on 4:17 pm on Aug. 24, 2009

apple only has 1 model?
Yes.


Quote: from snpark on 4:17 pm on Aug. 24, 2009
so an iphone, and a 3g iphone, and a 3gS iphone are all the same then?
Yes.



Quote: from snpark on 4:17 pm on Aug. 24, 2009
ok, rim makes "the blackberry"
thats one model
right??
No.


Quote: from snpark on 4:17 pm on Aug. 24, 2009
the curve
the bold - basically a 3g curve
a storm - a touchscreen curve / bold
a magnum - a combination of storm and bold - half keys half touch screen

i think there is a flip one too if its released yet?
You've just explained yourself, why RIM's phones are *not* a single model - but individual, distinct devices.

Besides, you deliberately provide shortened, inaccurate information - Blackberry produces:

Blackberry 8800
Blackberry Pearl / Pearl Flip
Blackberry Curve 8300 / 8520 / 8900
Blackberry Bold
Blackberry Storm
Blackberry Tour

Out of those, while some overlap in features, they are treated individually by RIM, and they also identify themselves as distinctive models -- for example, their browser's user agent identifies them distinctly. Same with those that have a camera built in, and allow uploads. Additionally, they don't all use the same software, have the same browser, etc...

All iPhones, because they all run the exact same firmware, are recognized as 'iPhone' - in fact, Apple in general counts all 'iPhone OS' devices, which includes iPod Touch devices, for various marketshare numbers, or online penetration numbers.

When iPhone became the #1 camera upload platform on Flikr, it counted all iPhones, because that's how the software identified itself (rightfully), while all other devices went by individual devices (albeit RIM is nearly non-present on Flikr, anyway). Fact is, the individual manufacturers choose on their own to make the distinction between their models - Apple has a single software OS / Firmware for their iPhone OS devices as it allows them to optimize engineering efforts, which results in their profit margins, and the ease with which they can support new features across the board (for example iPhone 3.0 software contains, to a large degree, Snow Leopard code and features, split from Apple's desktop OS effort -- again, optimizing their engineering resources).

Other manufacturers, like RIM or Nokia are large enough to be able to do the same, if they wanted to -- but they clearly don't feel the need. I predict they will feel a desperate need to do so, once it is too late, right before they fade into insignificance.

In fact, Nokia, after a disastrous loss in profits (billions in losses) and a declining marketshare, has just announced in tossing their weight behind Linux as their declared unified Phone OS. We'll see how that goes.

HTC, one of the smarter ODMs out there, has already announced switching half their smartphone production to Android, and is estimating to switch 80% of their phones to Android in 2 years. Considering that HTC manufactures 80% of Microsoft's smartphones.... well, you do the math...



Quote: from snpark on 4:17 pm on Aug. 24, 2009
anyway my point is if you are going to try and say apple only makes 1 model of iphone then your same argument has to carry across to rim only makes 1 blackberry
it just does a 3g version (like apple) and also you have a preference choice of keys or touchscreen or both
I understand why you are trying to distort facts, but, see above, that ain't so. Nice try, though.



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Posted on: 11:54 pm on Aug. 26, 2009
snpark

Quote: from Edge on 9:59 am on Aug. 27, 2009
SN,
apple only has 1 model?

so an iphone, and a 3g iphone, and a 3gS iphone are all the same then?

You think so? Go ahead, read up on it!!!!



mr edge I fear it is you who needs to read - read my post - I was asking daffy if he was implying that apple only made one model - and according to him, in his own words, yes an iphone, 3g iphone and 3gS iphone are all the same!!

bizarre
i certainly wasnt implying that - I stated that imho apple produces more than 1 model of iphone as all 3 are different - daffy disagrees and thinks a 3gS iphone is the same as a normal iphone - hhhhmmm just has different numbers then right?!


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Posted on: 12:19 am on Aug. 27, 2009
snpark

Quote: from DaffyDuck on 11:54 am on Aug. 27, 2009

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Quote: from snpark on 4:17 pm on Aug. 24, 2009

apple only has 1 model?
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Yes.



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Quote: from snpark on 4:17 pm on Aug. 24, 2009
so an iphone, and a 3g iphone, and a 3gS iphone are all the same then?
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Yes.






so guys there you have it - daffy has admitted that in his opinion, an iphone, 3g iphone and 3gS iphone are all the same

all the same - in my dictionary "same" means no difference between them - identical

so what is daffy trying to tell us?
steve jobs is a fraud and a crook and a cheat?

passing off a new super 32gb 3gS iphone as a normal 8gb 2g iphone?

because daffy just said they are the same model - there is no difference!!



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Posted on: 12:22 am on Aug. 27, 2009
DaffyDuck

Quote: from snpark on 12:22 pm on Aug. 27, 2009

because daffy just said they are the same model - there is no difference!!
As always, no surprise, you act same as an idiot, too simple to understand what I wrote - despite me making an effort to explain this to you.

Sad - can't even read English.


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Posted on: 2:57 am on Aug. 27, 2009
snpark
not at all daffy
i asked u a simple question - do u think apple iphone and iphone 3g and iphone 3gs is the same model

and you said yes

quite obviously its 3 different phones, different software, hardware etc etc, even memory capacity etc too

so its 3 different models of phone

you dont buy "an iphone" and then just get random pot luck which one you get given


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Posted on: 4:35 am on Aug. 27, 2009
DaffyDuck
Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

The software on 3G, 3GS, and even first Gen iPhone and iPhone Touch is the same, differing only by a wrapper that identifies the different model it is paired to. The operating system is the exact same though - including version and subversions of the various subsystems.

Pointless to try to explain this any further to the likes of you, though, where any information is the equivalent of pearls before swine.


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Posted on: 7:21 am on Aug. 27, 2009
snpark
so oh exhalted one - why does apple bother marketing them as 3 different "models" if they are not??


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Posted on: 10:06 am on Aug. 27, 2009
bkkz

Quote: from DaffyDuck on 7:21 pm on Aug. 27, 2009
differing only by a wrapper that identifies
Really? What about capabilities such as GPS and camera resolution, etc? Even headphones are not interchangeable between 2 G and 3 G models.


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Posted on: 12:35 pm on Aug. 27, 2009
     

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