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fastmover
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Quote: from Arramsey on 3:05 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
I invite you to contact or visit any ( or all ) of the 3 girls that I sponsor......
A while ago you mentioned that I might understand you a little...and I thought perhaps just a touch.
But now I think perhaps there is also a bigger problem, which is for you to understand yourself.
I originally thought you were sponsoring ONE girl, now you suggest that you actually support 3.
I suggest you have a 'harem complex'. You probably feel empowered by being the sheik or emperor with a group of concubines that you wish to not only just control the sexual favours of but you also wish to control or influence the daily economic survivability of these women.
If you consider the spiritual control you may have of these women you also my be construed as a 'godlike' figure, likely more for yourself, than them.
With your item #3 you are proud to declare you ecourage them to find a husband.
But then in your items #4 and #5 you even more proudly declare your omnipresence maritally and sexually, even challenging China Sailor to investigate, something I would think would cause your girls embarassment, but would give you an ego boost.
That offer is truly beyond bizarre.
I will sympathize with any man who wishes to support some woman he cannot or will not marry, but 3 women would indicate that you are a chronic 'haremizer'.
And if you are maintaining a wife also, you degrade the institution of marriage, relative to having several women trying to verbally normalize their relationship with you, by calling you 'husband'.
You may well be fed up with jaded responses based on your educational background, which I take would be superior to the sponsored women's education, however the results for the women is the same in the future, as they cannot think insuch glorfied and highminded a manner.
Their future is destined to never be normal since you have broken the social and economic links which they have been born into. You presently create a situation which they find substitutes their need to find normal male support in the form of marriage.
You offer them short term comfort only. Comfort which you cannot offer forever. When you are gone these women will have lost the ability to gain a husband or the ability to work for a living because you ae taking only their 'good-looking', youth years for your own haremizing.
Life is the hardest for old prostitutes, aged kept women, and harem women who were often thrown out when their beauty or entertainment value ceased to amuse the godlike man feeding and clothing them.
I suggest you will cast these women to the same fate
You will not alwys be free of sickness, old age and death which will come far sooner to you than them.
You also support them only enough for them to apparently, stay where they are. You do not support them to advance themselves, but only serve you in the location of your choice. I dare say your airfare alone, if sent to them instead of being used to carry your regal self to them would perhaps be more beneficial to them than your presence ever is.
Your willingnes to discuss the issue this forum may be honourable or it may be the stupidest thing you have done.
Honourable if you perhaps wished to seek an answer to this problem you have created for the women in question.
Or stupid, because inside youself, you want admiration for your knowledge as a proficient harem keeper.
Undoubtedly you may have a third answer, which you may wish to conjure up as the truth, but it is the answer the women must find for themselves that matters the most.
An answer that would be most generous to give the women, if only you could, or perhaps even if you knew you should.
You chose to open the box. I am just looking, to see what is inside.
Now tell me, what is it?
FM
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:59 am on Oct. 31, 2006
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seajohn
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Not sure about these village Chinese, but it's true that most SE Asian prostitutes I've met don't continue schooling or "advance themselves" without ample pushing. That's because of their background which often does not encourage education. It's so hard for them to prepare for the future in any way, besides building on to the existing house or making a new one. Very few accomplish much. I guess these sponsorees in the OP's case must be considered as contracting for indefinate periods with indefinite renewels, no matter what one party calls the other. Maybe not the best terms, and open to a lot of insecurity, as FM mentioned. It's a temp job, as I see it. And if it's more than that then maybe he's set up a retirement fund for them...?
A pension fund should be a consideration for full time regular employees after passing the probationary period. Conditions of termination, etc. Alimony for instance 555 Oh my goodness.
In any event, whatever the psychological or ethical or even economical ramifications may be for them or you, thanks for the view of these interesting places.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 7:37 am on Oct. 31, 2006
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SHEIKH14
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dear mel gibson
just relate my post with this specific topic to sponsor a girl or lady I did not mean it about over all doings and behavior
hope after this explanation you can agree with me
regards
s a sheikh
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:14 am on Oct. 31, 2006
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from fastmover on 9:23 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
I suggest you have a 'harem complex'. You probably feel empowered by being the sheik or emperor with a group of concubines that you wish to not only just control the sexual favours of but you also wish to control or influence the daily economic survivability of these women.
I would go along with the 'Guilt Complex' that China Sailor has thoroughly documented - and agree that if he were to apply a 1/10th the effort he applies on these numerous girls, to make up for deceiving his loving wife, he'd go far towards alleviating his guilt.
Still, it's a good thing for the various girls - if you had spent the time reading the threads Arramsey pointed to, you'd see that he does make efforts to allow these girls to reach independence, and appears to succeed in some instances -- that's good, I guess.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 12:28 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
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ThaidUp
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Quote: from China Sailor on 8:59 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
Arramsey,
You do not have to prove yourself to me, that is beween you and God.
TahidUp,
Touched a nerve there, eh?
It is amazing how quickly one immediately decides that if one is not in agreement with them they must be 'jaded', 'ill-informed', etc., etc., etc.
As for myself, I am far from jaded, I just have it in for hypocrites.
"To thine own self be true..."
- Shakespere
No it is just that your list has some holes in it. I seen many success cases of sponsership, however as in life nobody wants to here the good news and the guys who were wrong'd broadcast their sob stories that distorts the realities of the total number of cases.
Call what you may, but the reason sponsership or support is required with Thai Girls is they are still of the old fashion dependent type model. The model that most guys seem to desire and the reason many flock to Thailand in the first place.
If you want independent girls they are easily found in the Western world. But then many guys turnaround and self-sabatage their relationships by trying to make the TG independent when she knows only dependency. No wonder there are problems in paradise.
But as far as having it in for hypocrites, any "God" fearing man should not be on a pussy forum for any reason or are you trying to reform us heathens?
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 5:51 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
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seajohn
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Quote: from ThaidUp on 8:15 am on Nov. 1, 2006
If you want independent girls they are easily found in the Western world. But then many guys turnaround and self-sabatage their relationships by trying to make the TG independent when she knows only dependency. No wonder there are problems in paradise.
That was a good paragraph. Not merely this contradiction, but several other possible combinations, conspire to make relationships with anyone difficult. It is nice to see someone illustrate at least one aspect of our contrary nature. I am never sure how many of these difficulties we can resolve--perhaps in time--but I do know that becoming aware of the various conflicting forces within oneself, rather than just reacting like a maddened increasingly unsatisfied beast, is the first step toward more mature and less harmful relations with oneself, thineself, other selves, other people, whomever, etc....
This is just as true in the West as it is in cross-cultural relationships, though in the latter the issues are more apparent even if the solutions aren't.
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Bangkok Women : Meet Beautiful Thai Girls
Posted on: 6:14 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
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Adventure Guy
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Quote: from fastmover on 9:23 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
...but 3 women would indicate that you are a chronic 'haremizer'.
So???
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:14 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
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Arramsey
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FM,
As I said earlier, if you want answers to all your queries and innuendos then you should not pose them to me, because as you say I just want to satisfy my ego so obviously in your eyes, I will not give honest replies.
That is exactly the reason that I made that offer to China Sailor - to check out for himself in whatever manner he decides.
As for me - China Sailor said it right :- It is between me and my God.
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Thai Girls : Meet Active Thai Girls
Posted on: 8:53 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
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Barcrawler
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Quote: from Arramsey on 9:23 am on Oct. 27, 2006
It is just that I like these discussions to be about the girls and NOT about me or my motivations.
Surely what is of interest here is not the girls as such but the relationship between the girls and the sponsor. Arramsey, I will not criticise your sponsorship activities, and I will say there are probably as many reasons for sponsorship as there are sponsors but if you make such a post I think it is to be expected that motivations on both sides of the relationship will be discussed. In fact I would say that the sponsor’s motivation is the more complex and interesting part of the scenario.
You probably know that already.
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Thai Women : Meet Matured Thai Women
Posted on: 9:10 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
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Minder
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Quote: from ThaidUp on 8:15 am on Nov. 1, 2006
If you want independent girls they are easily found in the Western world. But then many guys turnaround and self-sabotage their relationships by trying to make the TG independent when she knows only dependency. No wonder there are problems in paradise.
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Well said TU.
She not only knows Dependency - she aspires to it!
IMHO this thread contains too much Western thinking, too much western logic in its approach.
I don't pretend to fully understand the Asian mind or even how TGs think (although I am married to one) BUT I do know that expectations and rationales are in a word, different. IMO many feel a slim chance is better than no chance, a toe-hold on a "husband" is preferable to nothing. Mia noi is better than mai mee. Yes, these are Chinese but the logic or in Western terms, the gaps in it, seem the same, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese - same same.
Being a wife, in some cases, even a minor one, and having a man to "take care" of you is still something women aspire to in the East. "Independence" is not highly rated. Life is harsher and expectations are "lower", happily ever after means happy for now, for today and tomorrow. Planning for the future - yeah right - no such thing in my experience of Asian culture - a week ahead is like a decade ahead is for a farang.
Arramsey IS the "husband" - I'd say the 3 girls have no problem thinking of him that way - who said a husband must be there 24/7? Who said he must have only one woman in his life? Surely that is Western thinking not Eastern isn't it? Enjoy.
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Attractive Thai Girls
Posted on: 10:39 pm on Oct. 31, 2006
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