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IBFarang
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Quote: from China Sailor on 11:55 pm on Aug. 13, 2008
I guess that ATT realizes it is better to put your costs upfront whilst APPL is realizing that the best way to sell phones is to make them available to everyone...
And they both realized the best way to soak the Apple zealots was to soak the false idol worshippers first. Then change strategy to target the masses.
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:38 am on Aug. 13, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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The prices will be the exact same at Best Buy.
Best Buy is an AT&T reseller, as such, it is just like buying the iPhone from an AT&T outlet - the only difference being that Best Buy gets a cut, and a cut of the particular subscriber's monthlies...
By the way - who are you talking to...?
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Bangkok Women : Meet Sensual Bangkok Women
Posted on: 11:41 am on Aug. 13, 2008
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China Sailor
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The bit about not having to share revenue came from an interview with the AT&T CEO. I figure he is a better source than the internet to discuss AT&T's relationship with APPL.
Another report out today is that APPL and AT&T admits a massive problem globally with dropped calls by 3G iPhones. The root cause is that the phone has problems shifting between networks (I would assume that the newspaper really meant cell clusters). They promise a software patch by next week and blame the German manufacturer of the chipset being used in the iPhone.
A couple of points here:
-- A software patch to correct a hardware problem? Unless it is a 'kernel' change it really can not do much to fix the chipset. On the other hand if one needs to change their 'kernel' then that is a *software* problem and not a *hardware* problem.
-- I am sure that the chipset was built to a specification of some sort. Are they saying that APPL did not design the iPhone but someone else did? SHOCKING!!! 
-- So lets accept that it is the chipset and not the software and it was designed by APPL. Then where did quality control go? Wasn't anyone testing this prior to release? Unit Tests would have discovered any flaws in the chipsets and Integrated Tests would have discovered any problems between the software and the chipset. Is it APPL's practice to release a product without thorough beta-testing first?
In any case the next time APPL intends to release a new version of the iPhone maybe they should hire the dude from Verizon to do some testing first.
Y'all know the routine "Can you hear me now..." 
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Thai Girls : Meet Sexy Thai Girls
Posted on: 9:56 am on Aug. 15, 2008
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snpark
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i heard some people have problems using the bluetooth too - is this correct?
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Bangkok Girls : Meet Sexy Bangkok Girls
Posted on: 11:33 am on Aug. 15, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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Yawn -- here we go again, people that really don't understand this, making broad statements -- sadly, as is so often the case, this is an issue of perceptions, and the actual problem (of which there is one) combined with the general technical ignorance of the media perpetuating the issue, in combination with the complete technical incompetence of the readership picking it up - and you have yet another "The sky is falling, Apple is incompetent" scenario :-(
Quote: from China Sailor on 12:30 am on Aug. 16, 2008
-- A software patch to correct a hardware problem? Unless it is a 'kernel' change it really can not do much to fix the chipset. On the other hand if one needs to change their 'kernel' then that is a *software* problem and not a *hardware* problem.
First of all, either you are building a strawman, or you really don't understand what you are talking about -- a kernel *is* software, and if Apple talks about a fix, that is most likely what is to happen - mind you, Apple is not calling it a patch, the media is.
That being said, there are many ways how a minor hardware issue can be compensated in software - the best example of that is the Hubble Telescope's warped mirror, which was able to be compensated for via software. Similarly, if the problem is one where the hardware (the infineon chip's) integrated firmware fails to properly perform certain tasks (i.e. switching between 2G and 3G, which is the issue), then that *can* be compensated for, via software.
By the way, the problem *has* to do with switching between different networks (2G and 3G networks, based on signal strength), and has nothing to do with cluster nodes - I really wish you would spend the time to actually RTFA before lecturing sweepingly...
Quote: from China Sailor on 12:30 am on Aug. 16, 2008
-- I am sure that the chipset was built to a specification of some sort. Are they saying that APPL did not design the iPhone but someone else did? SHOCKING!!!
The Infineon chipset is a standard, appliance 3G chipset, available for integration to many different manufacturers - and in fact, is being used by many. As such, I fail to see how Apple's selection of a spec chipset by a third party manufacturer places into question if Apple did or did not design the iPhone 3G... Any other stupid strawman arguments you care to advance?
Quote: from China Sailor on 12:30 am on Aug. 16, 2008
-- So lets accept that it is the chipset and not the software and it was designed by APPL. Then where did quality control go? Wasn't anyone testing this prior to release? Unit Tests would have discovered any flaws in the chipsets and Integrated Tests would have discovered any problems between the software and the chipset. Is it APPL's practice to release a product without thorough beta-testing first?
Apple performs a lot of beta testing, and there is no reason to assume that early release models did not have this problem, or it was not as noticeable in a smaller test environment - for what it's worth, I am not encountering the issue. Once production scales up, flaws can be introduced. This is unavoidable.
Apple is addressing them, and addressing them quickly - unlike other manufacturers which build flawed products and then never address the failures, or suggest you buy the next version, to get the fix. (*cough* HTC *cough*)
Quote: from China Sailor on 12:30 am on Aug. 16, 2008
In any case the next time APPL intends to release a new version of the iPhone maybe they should hire the dude from Verizon to do some testing first.
I'll be sure to pass your advice on, next time Apple wants to lose market share.
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Posted on: 1:40 pm on Aug. 15, 2008
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IBFarang
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Quote: from snpark on 2:08 am on Aug. 16, 2008
i heard some people have problems using the bluetooth too - is this correct?
Lies damn lies I tell you. It must be the retard trying to use the phones. There has never been a bad APPLE.......because there is no "G" in Apple.
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Posted on: 1:52 pm on Aug. 15, 2008
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China Sailor
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Sorry iDuck, I guess we should not publicly offend your gods, 'religion and politics' y'know; but really you will have to speak to USA Today or NPR as *they*
are reporting this stuff.
Quote: from IBFarang on 5:27 am on Aug. 16, 2008
Lies damn lies I tell you. It must be the retard trying to use the phones. There has never been a bad APPLE.......because there is no "G" in Apple.
Point of Order IBF,
The current iPhone is the iPhone 3G so there is a 'G' in its name.
Curiouser and curiouser...
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Posted on: 2:41 pm on Aug. 15, 2008
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Mr Alan
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Here is another story about the iPhone problem. If they don't come up with a software fix, its going to be very expensive to replace all those iPhones.
Dropped calls pose possible iPhone setback
CUPERTINO, Calif., Aug. 15 -- iPhone 3G customers in Europe and the United States have been finding phone call connections suddenly failing, various sources said.
AT&T and Apple are working on a software-oriented remedy for the problem, which some analysts believe originates with German-made Infineon "chipsets" that allow the iPhone 3G to move from one network to another.
Switching networks should be "seamless" USA Today reported.
Roger Entner, senior vice president at Nielsen IAG, said the problem exists "in every market where the iPhone 3G is sold."
That points to a problem with the phone, rather than with the AT&T network, Entner said. Senior wireless chip analyst Francis Sideco told USA Today the problem could be "as simple as a solder joint."
The worst case scenario, analysts say, is a recall of the phone that has sold so fast since it was launched on July 11 that stores have trouble keeping them in stock.
A recall would be an expensive and embarrassing set back for the company, analysts said.
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Posted on: 6:04 pm on Aug. 15, 2008
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DaffyDuck
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Quote: from China Sailor on 5:15 am on Aug. 16, 2008
Sorry iDuck, I guess we should not publicly offend your gods, 'religion and politics' y'know; but really you will have to speak to USA Today or NPR as *they*
are reporting this stuff.
It has nothing to do with religious heresy, and everything with the expectation of intelligent interlocutors.
If you expect to be taken seriously, and expect an intelligent debate, then at the very least inform yourself, and do not just regurgitate undigested media frenzy.
There have been a variety of issues with the iPhone 3G - there is nothing wrong with pointing those out. Isolated cracks in the plastic casings, certain percentage of OTB failures, the 2G/3G switching issues, the initial software issues of the 2.0 release - The fact is, Apple is addressing those issues, and resolving them in a rapid, fair and satisfactory manner - which is very much counter to any of its competitors (i.e. Windows Media phones, Palm, Nokia, etc...) all of which have various issues -- but where the main manner of resolution is either 'not at all' or 'by some new shit'.)
Apple will either replace your iPhone promptly in a store, and/or work on software solutions and updates to resolve functional issues.
Yes, in the meantime the press loves a feeding frenzy, and detractors of Apple love to regurgitate *any* bad news, ad nauseam -- the satisfaction in all of this, inevitably, is that these detractions are for naught, as Apple's strategies (which you apparently deplore) invariably pay off in success. Natch.
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/15119.cfm
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Posted on: 6:20 pm on Aug. 15, 2008
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